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Aibu to just want to have normal sex without faffing about for ages, sulks or sexual compromises!

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juststopthefaffing · 19/06/2017 09:54

I should start with I love my dh we have been together for 18 years since we were teenagers. Our relationship outside this issue is very good.

But the last 3 years when we have sex he can't maintain an erection for long and even when he does it is lacking in the um... what's the word- hardness ? It like it can't quite decide whether to quit and go home.

He is 33 so he's still relatively young and also healthy.

This has become a big thing (for him). He get so incredibly frustrated he gets annoyed and willing to do pretty much anything to get actual sex.

This means that I spend a lot of my time just trying to keep him happy, I'm sure you can imagine the general picture but it also means that I end up doing things I am not 100% happy with just to make the actual sex physically possible.

He won't admit there is an issue because it works when we go through the annoying and frankly boring to me steps that we have to go through but even then by the time we actually get to have sex I can't even be bothered or worse I just feel like I don't want him anywhere near me anymore!

I feel bad for him, but tbh I'm starting to feel like why should I never have "nice" sex again. I want him to go to the gp he point blank won't and I know that no amount of cajoling ,threatening or otherwise will change that.

Aibu to want to just have enjoyable sex? Is it cruel to force the point with him?

OP posts:
bumblebee61 · 20/06/2017 12:43

That is absolutely horrific. Why on earth do you put up with it?

AntiGrinch · 20/06/2017 12:53

Sorry if I've missed it but this

"It's just - imagine a child trying to get something to work and getting frustrated and angry and just throwing it about.."

sounds pretty horrible. So - he gets annoyed if he doesn't get hard and this triggers irritated roughness?

noeffingidea · 20/06/2017 13:16

Electricaid (if you're still on the thread)
it's consensual but I don't want it. What does or would happen if you withdraw your consent at the moment when it gets too rough for you?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 20/06/2017 13:18

This thread scares me, it really does. My very first relationship was at 18, it was long distance (met online) and for a couple of months, all great. Then he turned overnight into an emotionally abusive, manipulative, controlling asshole. A year of that lead to him being in complete control of me, and despite knowing i thought i was asexual and had a phobia of sex, when chatting one night with his webcam on, he stood up, and pulled out his penis. I did not want to see it, did not consent to it, and was shocked and repulsed by it. But that was the flood gates opening. From that day forward, all day every day he forced me to sex chat with him. Role playing all sorts of scenarios, and it became clear very quickly he didn't have any time for gentle, loving romantic sex.

He was only interested in bondage, domination, dress up/role play (like doctor and nurse) inflicting physical sexual violence such as biting, clawing, spanking and whipping, wanting to cause mass bruising and draw blood, and a particular thrill at the idea of getting caught, wanting to do things like drag me down an alley and make me give him oral, up against his parents bedroom door at night, he even asked me to have sex with him on my sofa with my sister in the room watching tv to see if she'd notice (i told him very firmly NO to that and he apologised, said he didnt really want that, no idea why he said it, he was sorry etc, and never mentioned it agian). I went along with him forcing me to sex chat and role play all of this shit, because i stupidly thought i loved him, and because i was to all intents and purposes, his puppet due to over a year of emotional abuse and conditioning.

I hated who i became, i felt constantly dirty, violated, ashamed, i felt like a whore, a prostitute who didn't even get paid. It was degrading, and i couldn't look at myself in the mirror. I never intended to do any of these things for real when it did come time to meet in person, it was supposed to just be fulfilling his fantasy mentally to placate him. It was so bad that he didn't even stop when my mum was diagnosed terminally ill when i was 20. He continued to force the sex chat, day in, day out. The day my mum died, he refused to speak to me beyond every half hour or so telling me "I don't know what to say to you". He was very obviously sulking he wasn't getting his sex chat and couldn't force me in those circumstances. He either didn't know how, or didn't want to treat me like an actual human being.

One thing he knew was an absolute NO i would never, ever consider was anal. He knew that from day one when we met, and had mentioned my disgust for it (i have OCD, purely an aversion to the germs) a few times throughout the relationship before the sex abuse began.

My turning point to turn and run was when he had me forcibly role play sex chatting and he was saying about having me tied up, and he told me he was going to penetrate me anally with his penis. I went balistic. Just like the sofa suggestion in front of my sister he was all apologies "i don't really want that, i'd never do it for real, i don't know why i even said it" etc. I calmed down, and considered him told to not ever even think about doing that to me.
2 days later, same fantasy of having me tied up, and he says the EXACT same thing about putting his penis in me anally.

That was when i realised he didn't love me, had no respect for me, my feelings, or my boundaries. I knew instantly that if i ever met him in person, he would expect all of the things he'd forced me to role play sex chat about. That he would never take "no" for an answer and would expect to get every scenario he ever made me role play. He was so entitled, i just knew the very first day we met from the second he stepped off the train it would just be a countdown of how long it would take him to sexually assault me or try to rape me. I would never be safe round him, and the thought of him being close enough to see me in the flesh, let alone close enough to actually touch me, made me feel physically sick, and my skin crawl.

It's been 6 years since i ended it, and i still have nightmares of him coming to rape me, still feel disgusted with myself, and i've reached the point im currently mid referral for therapy because i just cannot get past it. The anger, the hate, the disgust. It creeps in to my mind multiple times a day, often catching me off guard in the middle of doing something, and i freeze. I'm convinced he will end up assaulting or full on raping someone, he's too entitled not to, and he lacks both the personality and the looks to get a girlfriend to have consensual sex.

Your post has so many red flags, i am genuinely scared that one day, your husband will go too far, and you're the one who will pay the price. Light strangling is "ok" for now, but what if one day it doesn't do it for him anymore? What if he gets too into it, and puts on a bit more pressure, and he doesn't realise you cannot breathe?

I'm concerned if you tell him no, you're not willing to do this anymore that he may get angry and forcibly take what he wants.

You need to go to a GP, and tell them yourself what is going on. That you're having to do extreme unpleasant things to facilitate his errection to have normal sex. Get a referral to someone who can support you emotionally, because in all likelihood this is all going to hit you like a train one day, and it will overwhelm you.

BitOutOfPractice · 20/06/2017 14:44

Almost I just wanted to say how brave you are for posting that. What you went through sounds utterly horrific. I truly hope the therapy helps you, especially to not hate yourself. You have done nothing at all to be ashamed of Flowers

Orangetoffee · 20/06/2017 14:51

Almost, you are very brave posting that and you have indeed nothing to be ashamed about. Flowers

And your last paragraphs are exactly why this thread is so worrying, what will he move on to next when the current things are not working anymore.

BastardGoDarkly · 20/06/2017 14:57

Almost Flowers please take that on board op, its a very real danger indeed, what would your dc do without you?

ThanksMsMay · 20/06/2017 15:09

He's a sort of actor/sports personality.

Electricaid · 20/06/2017 15:16

Noeffing he would stop immediately.

It's complicated, we've had situations where I've been absolutely hysterical and I'm just praying it's over quickly. I could say stop and he would. It's just that i want to get through it. I want him to be finished because then he's happy. He wouldn't express anything negative if I asked him to stop but I know it's obviously not what he wants.

When I ask for it to be nice he will do tiny things that show me what he really wants. Kiss me forcefully for example. I don't even know if he realises what it's doing but it sends a message.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/06/2017 15:27

I'm just praying it's over quickly. Sad That's so sad to read. I really hope things change for you.

Orangetoffee · 20/06/2017 16:17

Elecricaid, he is abusing you. If you feel able to, please start a thread on the relationship board where posters will help you.

Electricaid · 20/06/2017 16:41

Orange I have now, thank you.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 20/06/2017 19:28

Almost, you've got grit, writing that very painful post.☹️💐
OP, please take heed, don't put yourself through it, you really don't need to.

2017SoFarSoGood · 21/06/2017 00:36

Almost what bravery you have shown in sharing your story so clearly. That is a real act of kindness, as it must have been very painful to write in such detail. I'm so sorry you experienced that Flowers

OP Please read what Almost posted carefully. This does not have to be you.

RedheadLover · 21/06/2017 01:14

This thread is honestly the saddest and most horrifying thing I've read on here.

OP, you don't seem ready to admit how bad the situation is, but I really hope you read some of the other responses and give things some serious thought. I'm sorry this is happening to you Flowers

RedheadLover · 21/06/2017 01:15

Thank you for sharing, Almost. Flowers

differentnameforthis · 21/06/2017 05:09

It's consensual but I don't want it If you don't want it, it isn't consensual. You are relenting, because either some contact (for you) is better then nothing, or you have to face the consequences of not relenting (abuse, sulks, coercion etc)

relenting isn't consenting.

It's just that i want to get through it. I want him to be finished because then he's happy. And your happiness doesn't count?

It's complicated, we've had situations where I've been absolutely hysterical and I'm just praying it's over quickly. I could say stop and he would. It's just that i want to get through it He fucks you while you are "absolutely hysterical"? Are you kidding me? He keeps going even though he knows you don't like it, he keep going even when he knows you would like something gentle. He keeps going when you are hysterical. You are nothing to him, eh? Just a thing to be used!

Booboostwo · 21/06/2017 05:47

OP this is a horrible man. A horrible man you have been with all your life and have children with but nonetheless a horrible man.

It is common for people to have different sexual likes and dislikes. DH loves anal, I do not. We gave it a try when I had never tried it before, it was no good, we haven't tried it again in 28 years. He has not pestered, cajoled or denied me sex because of that. He has accepted that I do not want to do it and that is that. Couples only have two options when it comes to incompatible sexual desires, either compromise so that BOTH are happy or break up and find someone else who is more compatible. Either way coercing someone into doing something they do not want to is during sex abuse.

Your DH may or may not have a physical problem, for me it's irrelevant. It's not the lack of erection that is the issue but how he treats you because of it.

Please get some help. I don't know how you can do this practically but maybe post on relationships for advice on how to get support to leave him.

665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 21/06/2017 06:42

Just you seem to have compartmentalised your life. You have put this "thing" in a box separate to everything else in your relationship so you can maintain the illusion that everything else is uncontaminated by what is going on. But if you re-read almost any of the posts with that in mind, what everyone is repeating over and over its that this is not aside from your relationship, it is defining your relationship.
He is systematically hacking away at the foundations of what you had. I can think of no words which describe a relationship positively that he is not undermining. Trust, mutual respect, affection, love, consideration.?.all are absent from what he is doing.
You can't put up a mental wall and save the rest of the relationship, there is no other part.
As he cuts away at your foundations you are using up your self respect to Prop things up, your love, trust, respect for yourself and him get eaten up in the process and they won't come back easily.
You can't change him, but you can stop him, and he ..well he can change if he wants to. If he doesn't want to ..that is his choice.. there is nothing you can do except make yourself safe and get out of range.
He has clearly already made some shittastic choices and coercively forced them onto you. When he did this, just like taking drugs, or having an affair, what you had, the entirety of it, mattered less to him than satisfying his momentary need.
To him the relationship is almost an exact reversal of what you have in mind. What he wants is completly driving him, it is everything to him, and all that good stuff you want to keep is the tiny little box he regards as disposable by comparison.

KERALA1 · 21/06/2017 07:08

This is like a horror film. Seeing kids playing in the playground are the adorable little boys really going to grow up viewing this shit so they can only have sex with our gorgeous girls whilst hurting them? Makes me want to weep.

But porn is harmless hey Hmm. I would fucking ban it all Mary whiitehouse was right.

mummymeister · 21/06/2017 08:47

juststop - I think you need to take the time to re-read the posts on this thread and your responses to them. You also need to bear in mind that if nothing changes, nothing changes so something has got to happen for this situation to resolve itself. it isn't just going to go away over night and go back to how things were when you first got together.

However much you don't agree at the moment, others on here will tell you that you cannot compartmentalise your life with this man. you cant say that its ok during the day so you will just put up with what happens at night because what happens at night will and does affect how you are during the day.

you have to confront him about his porn use. You have to tell him that you know - that his secret is out - that what he is doing is re enacting what he has seen on the screen and that you are not having it.

be clear. he needs to go and see the GP, he needs to honest to you and to himself about what porn he is watching and also I think you need to see some of it yourself because honestly I don't think you believe what some are posting about the violent nature of what is out there. I bet if you watched just a couple of clips, on your own in a safe environment, you would see word for word that this is what he acts out.

if you don't take control of this situation and insist he sees the GP and possibly one/both of you has some counselling how do you see this resolving? do you see yourself spending the next 30 or 40 years like this? what happens when he decides he wants to take it further? what happens if he decides to go elsewhere to get the violent sex he needs?

its make or break OP and you have to make your partner understand that.

KERALA1 · 21/06/2017 08:54

You are married for 18 years with kids?

You have more power than you realise op. If you split he would have to support you. This behaviour far exceeds "unreasonable behaviour" - his own solicitor would be disgusted believe me.

Line in sand this stops or we divorce and if no normal sex we divorce. Oh and he is not a nice man. At all. Do you have daughters?

nolongersurprised · 21/06/2017 09:42

mummymeister why the GP? He's capable of sustaining an erection if he's anally raping, simulating choking or verbally abusing his wife.

It doesn't sound like a physical problem - more like he can only get off if he's abusing his wife.

mummymeister · 21/06/2017 10:15

nolonger- if you read the full thread you will see that the OP said that he originally 3 years ago had erectile dysfunction. he then seems to have gone on to the porn after that. the root of the issue therefore could be an erection one which he thinks he has "cured" through porn. The point about seeing the GP is that if it some sort of physical issue then pretty soon the porn will stop working as well and what then will he go on to ?

nolongersurprised · 21/06/2017 11:15

I have read the whole thread and have posted a similar comment upthread - if he can maintain a full erection with porn, anal sex, simulated strangling and by calling his wife names but not with the gentle sex his wife prefers then it doesn't really sound like a purely physical issue, does it?

If verbally abusing his wife gives him an erection but loving sex doesn't then it sounds psychological rather than physical to me.

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