To ask if you voted Tory, would you now change your mind?

[LongLiveTheChief]

Hey.

I don't want to start a debate but I am quite worried about DUP being in the position that they are now. I am totally relying on the information from the media with regards to their views etc, but I'm worried about what this holds for us.

I wondered for anyone that voted Tory, now they have a coalition with DUP, would you change your vote?

I'd love to hear everyone's views. I am not politically minded and as I said, a lot of what I read and understand is unfortunately from the media. With 2 little ones, reading the paper online is about as much as I can do!

Please do not come down on me if this is a silly post, I am genuinely interested xx

mrsm43s
I think Labour voters were voting as a protest vote to weaken the Tory position

Well errr yes. I think Conservative voters wanted to weaken Labour. It's kind of the whole point.

However, that is an aside. I feel my Labour vote was a positive one. Most young people voted positively.

The idea of positive values seems to be something some Tories struggle with.

Here's a correct link for the article I referred to above about Gordon Brwon trying to make an election pact with the DUP in 2010.

www.irishnews.com/news/2015/09/02/news/hillary-clinton-emails-labour-sought-dup-election-pact-248668/

Here's a Telegraph article on the same.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html

Also people on Twitter are saying that Iain Paisley MP (junior - confusing) has said that Miliband tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2015. I can't find anything direct from IP on this though.

Straws. Clutching.

Corbyn is not Brown.

May is May

Labour voters were voting for a hung parliament - they got what they wanted, and now don't like it

This is a ridiculous argument and truly anti-democratic.

Plus. A letter. A Torygraph article making most capital from it.

As opposed to going there trying to have a formal violation with them.

Coalition..but I quite like the autocorrect to violation.

Lessworried Can I apply?

You should probably wait for evidence to come out about Milliband then, if you're just going on a few randoms on Twitter.

You wouldn't want to look like the few posters crowing about Corbyn standing up in silence for the IRA.

When it came to light that the only evidence of this was an express article written 30 odd years ago, it made those posters look incredibly stupid.

Just because other people have thought about doing something wrong doesn't mean someone who actually does the wrong thing is right.

I've though about running over Paul Nuttall doesn't mean it's OK for you to do it, but on the other hand if the cars got petrol in it..........

I would like to point out that I'm no Tory, although I feel everyone is presuming that I am. I'm a left of centre remainer.

There was no good choice for me in this election.

I read all the manifestos (plus the Naylor report) and cast my vote based on the likely results in my area, the manifesto pledges and what I felt was best for the country. For me, it was a case of the least bad option.

I think that UK politics are a colossal fuck up at the moment. I feel sad for my country, and slightly fearful for the future. We are weak, we are self destructing.

Going into this I felt there was no good outcome, and I still feel the same. We've all lost. We need to get better at working together for an improved country and stop having sides fighting against each other. Leavers v Remainers, Tories v Corbynites. When we're so divided, nobody wins.

It really confuses me why people seem to think Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't be able to lead brexit nogotiations. He's sucessfully led labour despite opposition from within his own party. He's successfully led talks with both sides in NI (and has been awarded an international peace prize so hardly a terrorist sympathiser) and Theresa May refused to face him in a public debate indicating that she did not feel that she would be able to hold her own debating with him. Theresa May on the other had has shown herself to be a weak leader, freqently changing her mind and performing poorly when questioned by the public during the campaign.

Negotiations to the British (English?) means shouting in a loud voice. I don't think JC would have been good at that.
Negotiations to many European countries means sitting in a room discussing issues until a compromise is reached. I think JC would be better at that than any Tory.

You should probably wait for evidence to come out about Milliband then, if you're just going on a few randoms on Twitter

But if you read my post you will see that I said someone said that someone else said something and that I have seen no direct evidence to support this. If people want to look into it to see if it's true or not, they can do so.

Just because other people have thought about doing something wrong doesn't mean someone who actually does the wrong thing is right

You are right. But on the other hand, people in the Labour party saying that the Tories making an electoral pact with the DUP is disgusting, outrageous and anti-democratic, who have tried to do the same thing are hypocrites and are clearly trying to make political capital.

And people who can manage to convince themselves that it is disgusting for the Tories to do this, but are able to find some explanation which excuses Labour trying to do the same, are not being honest with themselves.

They didn't do the same though.

And were entirely different people

You're so desperate

What are the figures Finally for how many sitting Labour MPs held seats in 2010? I would hazard quite a large percentage. 2015?

You're so desperate

Personal insults are so much better than rational discussion to make your point, I always find.

It really is sad how desperately youre trying to get the moral high ground back though.

Every political discussion on here descends into rudeness and personal insults. Usually from people who claim to vote because they care so much for other people.

Can anyone capable of giving a polite answer, who voted Labour explain how they felt about the IFS saying that Corbyn's spending plans were unsustainable and would bankrupt the country? I heard a lot of fellow remainers maoning at Brexiteers for not listening to independent experts on the economy but now they have ignored extensive expert advice on the uncosted claims of Labour party.

If you didnt ever vote for a political party because they had done something in the past which you didnt agree with you would never vote again

I suppose it depends how far back you want to go, whether you think people can change and whether you agree that parties can change depending on their leadership

Why is that relevant? Its the Tories trying to get a governement togther? Its just point scoring now to ask that.

And people have genuine valid concerns about DUP.

It is sickening hearing how people have no problem with May cosying up to terrorist sympathizers as long as they are are not the terrorists who planted bombs in the English part of the U.K. Obviously Catholic lives in NI mean nothing to these voters.

I agree Rufus But if people are trying to make political capital out of how outrageous the DUP are, when the reality is that, given the chance, they would quite probably be making deals with the DUP themselves (given that how people have behaved in the past is, I would say, a better predictor of how they will behave in the future than what they say) it is reasonable to point this out.

Why is is reasonable to ask Finally? Because they are either entirely different people, or they aren't.

I would vote differently yes, IF I could be convinced JC wouldn't bankrupt the country. I absolutely hate the Tory government and the current set up is worse than before. But, despite austerity, the money is there so if someone sensible got in and spend wisely things could improve.

I was very concerned that despite the Labour manifesto sounding good, had they got in everyone would have suffered when we were crippled financially. Given the chance again I might take the gamble but not 100% sure.

Not trying to be goady but for me, I cannot wrap my head round the fact that people are not happy with JCs actions 2 decades ago but are happy to forgive TM doing the same thing 2 months ago

^^^^ This
Totally agree Baby. Utterly ridiculous! Some Tory voters talk about Corbyn like he's the devil but it's easy to see through their words. They are just spouting propaganda crap spread by some of the media and completely ignoring the reasons the Conservatives made total mess of the election campaign.
Where I come from we would say the conservatives have seen their arse......

Exactly