To ask if you voted Tory, would you now change your mind?

[LongLiveTheChief]

Hey.

I don't want to start a debate but I am quite worried about DUP being in the position that they are now. I am totally relying on the information from the media with regards to their views etc, but I'm worried about what this holds for us.

I wondered for anyone that voted Tory, now they have a coalition with DUP, would you change your vote?

I'd love to hear everyone's views. I am not politically minded and as I said, a lot of what I read and understand is unfortunately from the media. With 2 little ones, reading the paper online is about as much as I can do!

Please do not come down on me if this is a silly post, I am genuinely interested xx

Yes the best brexit. A red white and blue brexit, a hard brexit, brexit means brexit, deal or no deal? No deal sir, only the best brexit for us.

Can anyone who actually believes the Conservatives will give us the best deal please set out exactly what that deal will be?

My friends who vote Tory would say no. I have many Tory voting relatives and friends.

Some have always voted Tory
Some believe the Tories had the best plans so voted for them...they are floating voters in the main.
Some voted Tory because they dislike Corbyn.
Some voted Tory because they like our local MP who is a nice man and who is very involved with the local community. I didn't vote for him but am not disappointed he has been re-elected.

None have said they have any regrets and why should they?

mctuffy

I think he did speak to unionists

Ian paisley widow apparently said this

Ian knew Jeremy Corbyn too, and he liked him. He didn’t share his politics and he didn’t approve of Jeremy Corbyn meeting Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein people when the IRA campaign was still going on. But he always found him very courteous and polite. He said Jeremy was a gentleman.

So tory voters are in favour of the DUP/Tory situation even though it puts the good friday agreement in jeopardy? Isn't that kind of selfish?

roundtable it really isn't surprising how many people viewed it as a presidential style election because the Tory campaign was predicated on exactly that. It was designed as a coronation of Theresa May and an assassination of Jeremy Corbyn. The tabloid press reinforced this to the nth degree.

What has shocked me though is the amount of people who think they are voting for a person rather than a party

I agree in principle, but while this matters more to me at local elections, it's hard to avoid the fact that a GE vote for a particular MP is going to result in their leader becoming PM, if the votes are sufficient

This is why I voted for our local Conservative MP who I actually detest. In other circumstances I might well have considered the local Labour candidate, but with Corbyn at the helm any further support for Labour would have been simply impossible for me

Wouldn't change my vote, I would be more worried about Corbyn attempting to run the country. I didn't vote for a Tory/DUP "regime" - the reality is the DUP usually support the Tories anyway.
I see the infighting in Labour has already started, Mandelson is telling moderate Labour MP's to vote with the Govt in return for a softer Brexit.
I'd be interested to understand what the state of the parties finances are - can they afford another election - money doesn't grow on trees (well Corbyn thinks it does obviously)?

Oh god not the magic money tree cliche again

Surely it's the labour voters who need to be asked this question. It was their vote that weakened the Tory majority and necessitated the Tory/DUP alliance.

Tory voters were voting for a Tory majority
Labour voters were voting for a hung parliament - they got what they wanted, and now don't like it.

TBH, it's a shit situation all round. There are no winners, and the protest vote has dramatically weakened our position. May was an idiot to call the election in the first place.

The conservatives know that if there was another election Labour would probably win.

That's the only reason TM is still around. If they had anyone credible to replace her she would be out, the Tories are not sentimental about getting rid of dead wood.

Everyone who follows politics knows that this deal is a disaster. That TM is a disaster. Andrew Marr this morning was quizzing Fallon on his view on Gay people and whether he finds them disgusting.

This will be the line of questioning now on every television appearance they make. They'll have to decide on either not doing interviews (making themselves look more incompetent) or by distancing themselves from TM and her 'friends and allies in the DUP'.

This outcome is the worst possible result for the Conservatives. If Labour had won by a narrow margin they could have regrouped, found a competent leader and avoided the mess that Brexit will likely be.

Now they are in exactly the same situation they promised we would be in under a Labour government, it is one of the most embarrassing things to happen in British politics.

Labour voters were voting for a hung parliament - they got what they wanted, and now don't like it.

What a stupid, stupid thing to day.

Labour voters were voting for Labour to win.

You Tories need to stop thinking negatively.

Labour voters, young voters, in the main seemed to be voting for something. Tory voters seem to be voting against something. More negative campaigning against Corbyn is the last thing the Tories should have done.

It was not a protest vote against anything it was a vote for change. Labour voters were not voting for a hung Parliament they voted for a Labour government. A positive vote.

I think a useful piece of information to add to this discussion is that Gordon Brown and the Labour party tried to form an electoral pact with the DUP. I'm sure many will find a reason to dismiss this piece of information ("Corbin isn't Brown" "the Labour party has changed beyond recognition" or some other reason why it was all different then and this is irrelevant) but I hope some people can see through the faux outrage and hypocrisy.

LABOUR sought support from the DUP in a bid to form a government following the Westminster election in 2010

Newly released emails to Hillary Clinton when she was US secretary of state show the Labour Party tried to win support from the Democratic Unionists

In a previously confidential briefing paper, US officials said then Labour leader Gordon Brown "is doing whatever he can to hold on to power"

www.irishnews.com/news/2015/09/02/news/hillary-clinton-emails-labour-sought-dupt-election-pact-248668/?param=ds441rif44T

I hear a barrel being scraped.

Better than the smugness of before mind you

Some other reason why this is all different
That's the point, this situation is completely different! Loads of people who have voted for Corbyn this time round didn't vote for Brown.

People are voting for Corbyn because he has principles, because he stands for something different (that works a lot better in other European countries than our current approach), because he is nothing like Brown and Blair.

If the Labour party are still the same, why did so many Blairites quit? Why did they have to have two leadership elections?

I'm loving all the Blarites having to apologise now that they want their jobs back.

Tbh I think what we have at the moment is ...better than it has been.

For too long there has been no real opposition to the ruling Party simply because centrist Labour and moderate Conservatives are too similar.

It's long needed an proper Opposition to curb the excesses of whoever is the leading Government at any point. Someone to actually oppose things if they are seen as unfair and to argue the difference.

I am willing to bet that things would be different if we'd had this.

So TM got the majority of the seats....no issue with that. JC also did bloody well with a complete opposition of what TM was planning in her manifesto.

When trying to make decisions an Opposition provides checks and balances to the excesses. For too long we have not had this and both Parties have politely applauded each other because their plans have been too similar. I don't want that...I want an Opposition who says "this is blatantly appalling and this is why" so that changes are made.

Had we had this before then maybe some of the worst abuses of vulnerable people would not have happened. The poor would not have been demonised by the Govt, the sick would not have been sanctioned for not attending appointments when they are in hospital beds (yes it happens). It should NEVER have got that far and an effective Opposition would have raised so much hell there would have been concessions made.

Whether TM can form an effective Govt remains to be seen but I would bet the knives are out....they already are to replace her.

My local Tory MP is a good man, he is hard working, shows a keen interest in the community and is very visible. I didn't vote for him but I am not sorry he has been re-elected. He is not ultra right wing and grew up in a normal family though.

I think Labour voters were voting as a protest vote to weaken the Tory position. The numerous links to "tactical voting" websites that were specifically to weaken the Tory position. There was never any suggestion or hope that there could be a Labour majority, that simply wasn't on the cards, the intent was to vote for whoever could damage/weaken the Tories' position.

They succeeded. The Tory position is indeed weakened. We're going into Brexit negotiations in a very weak position. Leadership is weak, the country is divided.

The whole thing is a joke. May is a poor leader further weakened. There are no winners only losers.

I love all the people saying a deal with the DUP won't change anything. I mean, it'll just destabilise the Good Friday Agreement, legitimise religious fundamentalism and empower a corrupt party that have been hurting women and LGBT in Northern Ireland for decades. But, you know, I guess so long as it only makes things worse in Northern Ireland that doesn't matter.

Good that they are weak.

We would all be a lot weaker if they were strong.

I think Labour voters were voting as a protest vote to weaken the Tory position

Yes. There was widespread tactical voting and vote swaps against the Tories, a woeful woeful campaign from May, the backlash from remainers angry with the tories, and yet Corbyn still lost. It was - better than expected for labour and credit to JC for good campaigning and for mobilising the youth vote (albeit by promising the earth which he probably couldn't deliver but nonetheless). Some people of course voted FOR labour, but so many voted against the tories.

But I do feel people have interpreted this as suddenly the whole country has turned socialist. Owen Jones even tweeting Miliband lost for not being left wing enough. That's really not how I see it.

The centre ground swings elections and JC does not and never will have it.

I dislike the Tory party at the moment. I am so desperately angry that the Labour Party isn't a viable alternative.

The Labour Party should have won this election.

Labour voters were voting for a hung parliament - they got what they wanted, and now don't like it.

And another giant pile of bullshit

Although I absolutely agree with this

The whole thing is a joke. May is a poor leader further weakened. There are no winners only losers.

I think Labour voters were voting as a protest vote to weaken the Tory position. The numerous links to "tactical voting" websites that were specifically to weaken the Tory position

I can't speak for all Labour voters, but I didn't believe for a second that we would have anything other than a Tory govt. That is why I and a lot of people tactically voted - in order to maybe stop the landslide that we were all being told was happening. Yes, I voted to get the Tories out of as many seats as possible and to get as many labour MPs as possible. That's how a general election works. I certainly didn't vote for, or see coming, a hung parliament. This doesn't serve us well either. We wanted to win and be in govt not in a position where we have to scrabble around trying to get other parties to join us. No one on any side wants this situation.

It is stupid to blame labour voters for this situation. All we did was vote for our party ( or vote tactically where labour never stands a chance). There is only one person to blame for this situation and that is the person who called an election when she didn't need to.