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Where is John McDonnell, potential lab chancellor

214 replies

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 11:36

I've just had to goggle Lyn brown (and only learnt that she swore at a blind man). Realised I know v little about McDonnell either. AIBU to think that he's been kept hidden because he might spoil cuddly JC's image?

In May 2003, he made controversial comments about the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), saying: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."[17]
According to a report in The Times published in November 2015, McDonnell in 1985 made similar comments at a Labour Committee on Ireland meeting, before the start of the Northern Ireland peace process. The Deptford Mercury asserted at the time that McDonnell had suggested there was a role for "the ballot, the bullet and the bomb" in bringing about a United Ireland, and joked about "kneecapping" the "gutless wimp" Labour councillors who had declined to join the meeting.[19]
In 2015, McDonnell's name appeared on a letter calling for the armed police and MI5 to be disbanded. He claimed that he had not signed the letter, which was produced by the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory (SCLV), but he was photographed holding a copy of the letter, although he later said that he did not know that the demand was on the letter.[29][30

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Dawndonnaagain · 07/06/2017 16:03

shoehorn shoehorn, such desperation.
My point, exactly.

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/06/2017 16:09

DH and I sometimes wonder - we look at all the pro-Corbyn stuff and we can't comprehend it, and then we get attacked for being moderates. Lib dem seems a good vote tobee.

I'm currently hiding in RL on my facebook feed from my Corbyn friends and family exhorting me in various ways to vote labour or be unmentionable!

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 16:10

Dawn, not sure you've actually made any kind of point? Have you googled John McDonnell yet? What do you think of him? Can you answer without saying 'but the tories...'? I want to know what labour voters think about the man you want to be chancellor on Friday. Not one labour voter has said anything positive about him on this thread.

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TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:14

Why do you want to know?

LadyinCement · 07/06/2017 16:16

Diane Abbott is tweeting away and says she'll be back. "Friends" say it was not her decision to be ill.

To be fair, both sides try to muzzle their loose canons. I think the LibDems would like a loose canon. They have been invisible in this campaign.

JC & crew had the excellent plan of bribing everyone with a giveaway bonanza, but they are ideologists, and merely want the chance to implement long-held plans.

And that "the many" mantra. "The many" also voted for Brexit. Don't think many of Corbyn supporters on here liked "the many" much then. They were all ignorant trash at that point. And "the few" are largely the Remainers who are also apparently the hated "rich".

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 16:21

Because I don't understand how people can vote for such an awful man! I don't understand how people can think they are voting for some kind of latter day messiah without checking who his number two will be! I am actually angry that people are being deceived into voting for a Marxist, terrorist sympathising, incompetent man who'll ruin the economy, because the Labour Party have very effectively kept him hidden from view!

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TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:22

Ah you just want to smear him

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 16:25

You still haven't said what's so great about him!

Talking about people's past isn't smearing btw!

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LadyinCement · 07/06/2017 16:25

This is from The New Statesman, so hardly the Daily Mail:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/03/exclusive-john-mcdonnell-named-lenin-and-trotsky-his-biggest-influences-2006

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:31

I can't be bothered indulging the smearing

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/06/2017 16:32

I saw that lady, and labour's policies are consistent with someone wanting to destroy the system from within in my opinion! I think piglet may have posted this first.

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:34

It's getting really desperate all over MN today

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:35

And in the Mail. 13 pages of this bilge.

LadyinCement · 07/06/2017 16:35

How is learning more about a prospective Chancellor smearing them? Are we only allowed to know that they like spinach and playing air hockey?

I want to know about business interests of Conservative MPs, and I want to know about union links of Labour ones. And so on.

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:37

Ah its learning more is it. Bull

tobee · 07/06/2017 16:54

What do you mean by desperate, Monkey? And I think it's you that's smearing us. You aren't exactly convincing anyone that you've got, you know, actual opinions or any political thoughts. Just what I'd expect from Corbyn supporters who can only, seemingly, indulge in name calling people who disagree with them. And then shut down the debate. I wouldn't be surprised to receive threats of violence and verbal abuse. It seems to be a modus operandi of Corbynites.

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 16:56

Yawn

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 16:59

Marxist- has said this himself
Terrorist sympathiser - speech in which he thought dead Ira people should be honoured and bullets had pathed the way to peace
Incompetent- sacked by ken Livingston (😮) for financial mismanagement of the greater London Council.

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TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 17:04

Go on cram those smears in

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 17:04

It's really obvious

tobee · 07/06/2017 17:08

Yeah, well done, Monkey. You certainly won that point. You're doing really well.

It seems Corbyn supporters are only able to respond to argument by putting up their fists. The hilarious thing is they are entirely uninterested/incapable of trying to actually persuade anybody. Apparently it's beneath them. The militant wing of Labour has always only interested in infighting. They would actually be disgusted if a LibDem or Tory supporter voted Labour.

Sittinonthefloor · 07/06/2017 17:08

Monkey - you're not really adding to the debate Hmm. What is obvious? Are we not allowed to discuss the potential chancellor?

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TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 17:09

You don't want a debate you just want to smear the Labour party candidates as much as you can the day before the election

TheMonkeyAndThePlywoodViolin · 07/06/2017 17:10

It's quite funny

tobee · 07/06/2017 17:11

So what is your definition of a smear, then, Monkey? Hmm, let me guess, you won't answer.