To think UKIP have just saved themselves from extinction?

[Killdora]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40039616

Let's face it, after brexit they were going the way of the dodo.

By throwing themselves into the often politely ignored issues around community integration and extremism I think they will be stealing a big chunk of the Tory vote again.

Especially the removal of passports from anyone leaving the country to fight for ISIS.

If that had been in place earlier then the Manchester murderer wouldn't have been able to enter the country.

I don't know why they're given airtime. They don't have any MPs. The Green Party has one and you hardly hear anything from her. Why are UKIP asked for their opinion?

And I swear that Donald Trump didn't realise that UKIP didn't have one MP when he met with Nigel Farrage.

They have absolutely no chance

I know. They didn't before.

Still managed to get us the referendum didn't they?

UKIP are fucking deranged and in years to come people will look back at this portion of history and wonder why they were allowed to scaremonger and poison the social integrity of this little island that has always had large numbers of migrants (both in and out).

There is a reason that the English language is made up of bastardised versions of words from other languages. There's also a reason why pretty much anyone in the UK who did a genetic history DNA test would find common ancestry in several different countries. That's because we have always been a melting pot of different nationalities.

The path UKIP want to lead us down is dangerous and will be the cause of more terror attacks because they are breeding exactly the kind of hatred that makes the insidious whispers from terrible hate mongers to the ears of disenfranchised young people sound plausible and a better use of their life.

As well as trying to capitalise on recent tragic events is anyone else horrified at their proposal that young girls should be checked for sings of fgm. I'm all for stopping this abhorrent practice but I am not ok with the state forcing girls to be subjected to intimate examinations.

Gosh Killdora, how big and clever with the remind me of...
Let me remind you: the vote was marginal.
Most polled felt they were conned and lied to and stated quite clearly that they wouldn't vote that way again.

Other than that, your first post is racist and ignorant of facts. UKIP are having a gay old time creaming their pants because they know they can manipulate hard of thinking racists. Oh, look...

There is nothing about passport removal in their party manifesto. In the link you posted, passport removal was cited as a punishment for fighting for ISIS, not travelling to Libya, so would not have made any difference in this case as I explained above. Can you not think and read at the same time?

The party leader couldn't even be trusted as MP by the people of Stoke on Trent and they voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. And yet UKP are so deluded as to think Brexit is happening because of them

They have no chance of getting into power. All they will serve is to take votes (and not a large number) from the other parties. From what I have seen of their manifesto, and I have only looked at the main points that interest me so far, I like it. Still a waste of a vote tho

Suzanne Evans has already had to back track on sine of what she said in her speech.

Laura Kurrensburg (sp) was yelled at to 'get back down her hole' by a UKIP MEP at the launch.

What a nice bunch hey.

www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488*

THIS

...and you have to wonder given the way these people "fight" in the west, and their evident preference for targeting civilians and terrorizing children from a position of safety to get their results, just how many hideous atrocities they have committed in the places they pop off to on holiday.

Lee Rigby's murder and the massacre of those poor people in Manchester, to name two, have been perpetrated by people allowed to walk UK streets after they were known to have "fought" abroad for islamist groups.

The most sensible reason such blatant threats to civilian life are wandering around doing as they wish and able to plan attacks (assuming you don't don't consider our security services malicious or incompetent, which I don't - they really are excellent and committed to protecting us) would be one of scale/resources?

I want to temper this by saying "let's not get overly worried", but it all raises questions over the actual scale of similar problems lying in store now.

If he is a British national and "not allowed back", where would he have gone? Heathrow would be full of Tom Hanks-alike stateless persons living there with no passport, no entry into the UK and no ability to travel to another country...

Killdora

Do the maths! They aren't standing in enough seats for starters!

HTH

That won't work well. Lots of people in British still have families in those countries and do like to see their family from time to time. Most people aren't terrorists and are really just going to see their families.
Also, many terrorists will just not go to those countries for training anymore and will just learn to make a bomb in Britain and still go and do their suicide bombs, or run people over, or use a knife, or many other ways terrorists kill.
Stopping the travelling won't do anything to stop their fucked up mindset. Nothing at all. Just like with other criminals, you put something in to stop a certain crime and they find a way around it.

I'm constantly told by pro brexiters that they voted against a big eu and it was nothing to do with immigration and then you get these threads...

The silent majority
Given the way Ukip was wiped out in the local elections how can this possibly be true?

Just out of interest Op, where do you think he would go if denied reentry to the UK? He was a British citizen and I can't imagine any other countries would be jumping to take him. Should he just be left wandering around the airport terminal in the style of tom hanks? Coz that's just where you want a disgruntled suspected terrorist...

Oh I'm sorry if you think my first post was racist.

Please do point out which bit and I will report it myself.

Naturally, I have different views to you so I'm thick.

(that negotiation strategy works so well to change people's minds.

How come love and tolerance will defeat extremism unless it's what you see as ukip extremism.

Then you think mocking and hated will sort it out

How many people have evil ukippers killed this year vs the terrorists who deserve understanding and rights?)

Oh, cross post with crumpet there!

Oh, I didn't realise you were speaking as a UKIP supporter Kildora ; I thought you were just raising a general question.

In that case, you would be really foolish to vote UKIP. It would be the best way to help Labour to get in which, presumably, you wouldn't want.

If UKIP stand for thrbsilebt majority why are they silent not voting? If the siikebt majority believed in them they'd get into power

Personally I think one of the tragic parts of this atrocity is that he was born here and yet chose to do this. Arianna is only 2 years older than hon, they could have been peers in school. His sister is 18, I imagine alot of the girls there were her age.
Why can we do to stop the corruption of the minds of those born into this country? To stop them wanting to kill their own because they don't see them as their own. I don't think voting in policies of discrimination are the answer.

Veils - so in winter I can wear a hat and snoot but my Muslim friend mustnt because she's probably a terrorist. How many terrorists have actually dressed up or been women in hajibs? (Right article? Apologies if not)
One in one out brings to mind nightclubs and queuing at the door for someone to come out - will everyone take a ticket and wait their turn?

Kildora No, UKIP did not get us the referendum. The SOLE reason Cameron opted for a referendum was to try and stop the in-fighting within the Tory party between the Eurosceptics and the Europhiles that had been at each other's throats for over 20 years. He gambled this country on preventing further division or splits within his party. No other reason at all. You could only say UKIP got the referendum if they had actually started to get a serious number of MPs into the Commons.

Also, bear in mind that safe in the knowledge that they are finished in politics, for the time being, UKIP can make any fanciful pledges that enter their heads (one in, one out?? Seriously?), whereas the Tories and Labour both actually face the risk of winning and being held somewhat accountable.

This. It's easy to promise the world when there isn't a remote chance that you'll actually have to deliver it!

The argument that the bomber wouldn't have been let back into the country if UKIP's rule was in place is nonsense. Whatever checks are put in place they would have found a way around them.

UKIP is a weird one. They did get a stonking number of votes in previous elections for MEPs, for example, which a lot of people seem to forget.

So huge numbers of people do vote for them in an arena where they think a Ukip vote will not be wasted.

They also, ime as a canvasser, take far more Labour votes in the North than Tory. I do feel that the left has hoisted itself on its own petard by constantly reinforcing the narrative of "Tory scum", which, instead of keeping people with Labour, has now backfired so that trad voters who don't want to vote Labour anymore vote UKIP instead: ie. they've pushed these voters out of the political mainstream. When you do that, it's bloody difficult to get people back as the process of moving out of the mainstream means people then start to think of themselves as "political radicals", iyswim, and defend their voting choice with greater fervour than they normally would.