To think UKIP have just saved themselves from extinction?

[Killdora]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40039616

Let's face it, after brexit they were going the way of the dodo.

By throwing themselves into the often politely ignored issues around community integration and extremism I think they will be stealing a big chunk of the Tory vote again.

Especially the removal of passports from anyone leaving the country to fight for ISIS.

If that had been in place earlier then the Manchester murderer wouldn't have been able to enter the country.

I think UKIP might find a lot of their members forced to leave the UK - since Paul Nuttals of UKIP said that anyone who didn't think women and gays where equal shouldn't be allowed here ...

Ooh I think they mentioned tax! Restoring a tax free allowance to those earning > 100k and taking everyone

Paul nuttal loves women so much he wants massive changes to abortion rights.

UKIP won't win power. That's the reality of our voting system.

You vote for your constituency mp. Total mps gives a party their power share. You can get situations where the party with the most votes doesn't take power.

So saying you'll vote for ukip based on their policies is pointless in some ways - unless there was a massive shift in national polling across all constituencies.

I do find our system frustrating but that's the way that it is no I don't vote ukip

Why don't you read their manifesto Orlantino

I looked at it last time. Will do it again.

I bet it mentions back to basics. Tradition. Grammar schools.
More jails.

And I wonder what it doesn't mention.

It's big on punishment and grammar schools. And abolishing KS1 sats which I thought had already been done a few weeks ago. Never mind.

And 'special schools'. They have dropped the special facilities for children with disabilities though...

They'll always be a need for UKIP.
They're the only ones brave enough to say what the silent majority think

agree^^

and the only reason UKIP don't get a big surge on is that they don't cover all boroughs in the UK.

no representative covers the borough I live in, so how can they expect to get votes if they don't spread themselves around?

Id like to know their policies for disabled people and their carers though.

*Today 13:01 Killdora

It is worth bearing in mind that one motivating factor for this attack seems to have been a race hate crime against one of the friends of the bomber. This absolutely doesn't excuse what he did. But it does point to the role of hatred and violence in breeding further hatred and violence

I personally can't really see that as any reason to do what he did.

I have been racially abused with my children on the street. At no point did I consider blowong up any people who shared the race of my assailant.

Today 13:03 lanouvelleheloise

Killdora - well, not everyone reacts to things in the same way, as the fact that people are disagreeing with you on this thread proves.*

lanouvelleheloise I'm really hoping you didn't mean that the way it reads because if not it sounds an awful lot like you think the bombers friend being racially attacked provided some sort of justification for the murder of 22 innocent people and life changing injuries to many more. You can't honestly believe that what that terrorist did was an acceptable 'reaction' whatever injustices he had experienced?

Everyone should be free to live their lives without fear of any kind of attack but sadly that isn't the case, that shouldn't mean we accept, justify or even try to understand atrocities such as Manchester.

You can't honestly believe that what that terrorist did was an acceptable 'reaction' whatever injustices he had experienced?

Sadly I've seen quite a few posts along those lines on social media and mn.

I just don't believe that a person would or could murder another, no matter how disenfranchised and discriminated against they felt.

When I was spat and screamed at for being black, with my children with me, I was absolutely enraged (after the fear had died down)

Never would I have considered murdering any Romanian children, just because men of that nationality had attacked me.

No normal person would.

Either that man had already been brought up to think of westerners as 'other', not human, not worth as much as him (which would be the integration issue)

Or he was already the type of man that would happily murder children, and just found a good excuse (in his mind)

I have to admit, as a pinko lefty, I can see a few advantages to the continued existence of UKIP. Firstly it quarantines all the mad racist bastards in one place and keeps them in plain sight rather than hiding under the radar. Secondly, it (hopefully) splits the Tory vote in marginals. And thirdly it means that reasonable Tories (yes, they do exist, I do not subscribe to the "all Tories are evil" viewpoint) are better placed to resist the worst excesses of May and Rudd and their ilk, rather than feeling that the Tory party ought to be pandering to the lowest common denominator nasties in our society.

I don't think I'm a mad racist bastard for wanting some of the ukips policy ideas to be discussed and made mainstream.

Did anyone see them tonight at their press conference shouting journalists down. What a nasty bunch of pond life they are.

Weren't they horrible? Still apparently they speak for the silent majority

I liked the bit in the manifesto where they want to ban the burkha "because it prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight..." really shows their softer side.

We had some election material through the door recently. Me and DD had great fun correcting all the grammer mistakes.

Just like some people on here that have been vile to those with different opinions about politics

how do you mean, mugging?

Nice one UKIP, using this horrific event for political gain while all other parties had suspended campaigning.
Please do vote for them, it will weaken the tories.

You're so stupid if you really think this is happening because of immigration. Wake up. Who's supplying the weapons to the saudis? Who's funding IS? Where did this all begin? You cant poke a nest and then complain about getting stung.
You have the wrong attitude and you are fueling the fight.

In going to retreat back into my echo chamber now where everyone talks sense.

I caught their antics today on the news. Have they been studying trump tactics? Absolute shower if shites. I thought they were just a bunch of useless tossers until now.

It was always all about Farage

If it had a future Farage would be leading he gains more attention now on his radio show

It's over for them

Scatter your comment at 13:23:14 is one of the scariest things I have ever read on here...

*If I (English) move to Japan with my English husband and have kids there, are my kids Japanese? Are they as Japanese as, you know, actual Japanese people?

Unless you are being completely disingenuous your answer would be no, they would not be Japanese. Japanese nationals yes, Japanese people no.*

Why wouldn't they be Japanease? Because they don't look Japanese? How far back do you want to go? What criteria do you set before someone can belong?

What do you want to do to those who don't meet your criteria?

Your post has actually scared me. By your logic my family is not British.

It's tricky once you try to look at race and culture.

You can be British with Japanese parents. If you go back far enough, none of us would pass the 'how British are you?' test would we? Is there a cut-off - 2nd gen, 3rd, 4th...

He's described in the article as 'having an interest in Islam' but it's anyone's guess what that actually means

Why wouldn't they be Japanease? Because they don't look Japanese? How far back do you want to go? What criteria do you set before someone can belong?

Yes, I'd like to know too. Perhaps some details on the specific number of generations, or percentage of genetic admixture.