To leave the Labour Party?

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I'm one of the 40k I voted against corbyn desperate to salvage a party that might at least be decent opposition but he's making sure there is no effective opposition so I'm in arrears on my membership. I no longer feel I can identify with the party or its views.

I'm a fan of Wes Streeting Tobee and Piglet! Unfortunately he is in a very marginal seat. I think Dan Jarvis is the best shot Labour currently has at winning an election. But I would happily vote for Jess Phillips, Chuka Umunna or Heidi Alexander if they stood against him in a leadership challenge. I'm another who is hanging on to my membership in the hope of getting Corbyn out at the next opportunity.

Dan Jarvis's family situation prevented him from standing at previous leadership elections, but it won't be like that forever. Keir Starmer only entered Parliament in 2015 so couldn't plausibly have stood earlier but with each passing month he has more of a shot. I'm quite keen on either of them, but particularly Starmer who has held down a real-world job at the very highest level, dealing with the sharp end of legislative decisions and was very good on his MN webchat.

I wish there was an equally qualified female MP who I could really get behind.

Labour voter, not a party member. Never joined a party. Not going to join the Greens who I think have quite sinister policies. Liberalism is not the same thing as the Labour movement, though I have voted LD in the past for tactical reasons. Corbyn has taught me just how right-wing I really am which is probably good for my self-knowledge.

Above all I wish that Corbyn had campaigned for Labour party leadership as a Lexiter, which everyone knows he is and was. If he'd been elected as leader on that basis, and made it the policy of the party, Labour would have potentially 17 million voters ready to vote for them at the general election and we'd all be talking about how weak TM looks as a past remainer trying to manage Brexit, and Corbyn would potentially be performing [a bit] better because he would actually be saying what he thinks. He would be doing that as the leader of a rump party in Parliament but it might be functioning as a party.

Or he would never have been elected leader.

Yanbu op, I left the Labour party over ID cards.

Just to comment on something several pages back, Andy Burnham did nothing about Hillsborough until he was shamed into it by a chanting crowd. It was no surprise that he was hanging around on the day of the report's publication. The credit should go to the families, Professor Phil Scraton and others including David Conn, but none should go to Andy Burnham.

Absolutely Avery.

There's also mid staffs.

The last leadership contest it wasn't woeth wasting a good candidate to put up against Corbyn

Smith is the better of a poor choice but it was quite clear he wasn't going to win

Sundance, so you think another ten or so years of the Tories is a price worth paying to keep Corbyn in place?

Apologies- that last post was aimed at another post way back in the discussion - my phone has been jumping between pages!

Why is it nonsense that without JC we might still be in the EU? Have you any idea how badly he handled that? It was a disgrace. Had he been honest and admitted he was a Brexiter, I wouldn't have been so annoyed. But to go along with Remain while doing fuck all for the campaign was unforgivable.

AverysillyoldHector, you are right about Hillsborough, my mistake, apologies he was shamed into it. All credit should go to the families who never give up. ( like your name a Hector's House fan here)

I was hopeful in the early days of Corbyn but am disillusioned now. Currently feeling pretty disenfranchised all round. I have generally left-leaning sympathies and in particular I loathe what was started under Labour and run with so enthusiastically by the Tories when it comes to treatment of the disabled, but struggling to see who or what is going to improve matters in the short-to-medium term future.

I am staying in the party. I have long wrestled with what to do but have come to a solution

I am a member. I have/will attend meetings and facebook comments etc. I will NOT vote for any Momentum or Pro-Corbyn candidate (they are one and the same mostly where I am) I will not help them get elected and openly say that I will vote tactically/against them

This gives me a balance that I needed and a calmness. We don't have to vote for these people or help them they are not representatives of the Labour party I know. Think of the Republicans who refused to vote Trump. Oh and I know I annoy the hell out them!

PS I am mostly to the left but a pragmatist not an idealist

I've come to the same conclusion Imjust. I figure the tide must turn at some point and I want to make sure I am in a position to vote as and when needed. There may well be another leadership challenge next year, depending on how the local elections go.

Miss this may hearten you. A recent poll of members has said almost half would named Kier Starmer as their candidate of choice if Corbyn stood down

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/keir-starmer-labour-brexit-interview#comment-95457492

I think Keir Starmer is the best choice I think he would be a very good leader and certainly has the potential to be a future PM

I feel he is getting ready for the role