To leave the Labour Party?

[guidanceplease]

I'm one of the 40k I voted against corbyn desperate to salvage a party that might at least be decent opposition but he's making sure there is no effective opposition so I'm in arrears on my membership. I no longer feel I can identify with the party or its views.

Seriously contemplating not voting Labour for the first time in my life. Corbyn can't lead the country. He's a failure.

Completely identify with this dilemma. I'm a LP member and joined about 5 years ago as I was dismayed to see Ed voted in as leader over David. Rationale at time was you need to be a member to have a say. I've voted against Corbyn in both recent leadership elections and am beginning to wonder if I'm in the wrong party.

I totally hear you but we all need to be able to (try to) vote honour at the next opportunity

not awfully bright yep, that was obvious from the very beginning, he's just not up to doing the job

Blimey. I googled Michael Foot and the top link was donkey jacket. It wasn't a donkey jacket but it lacked the formality expected.

I also learned that Foot was the editor of the London Evening Standard at the age of 28. He had a massive argument with his friend Aneurin Bevan which culminated in Bevan shouting 'you cunt' and smashing his best chair. Another good friend Arthur Koestler raped his wife Jill in 1952.

Yes JC once again showed what a useless leader he is when he failed to mention MM's past and his victims Corbyn won't let anything get in the way of his principles it wasn't thoughtless it was deliberate he is a nasty person

Still it's no secret Corbyn sided with the IRA regardless of what they did

I won't vote for LD they would form coalition with the Tory party if it meant they were in power and they are partly to blame for the last 6 years of cuts

Not the the Tories will be needing them in the next election

Labour has to move to the centre to stand any chance of winning

guidance what don't you like about JC's views / policies? If you are a socialist how could you disapprove of them?

I left when Jeremy Corbyn whipped article 50.

Maxwell should they have ignored the outcome of the EU referendum? I think JC was right on this.

I think it was up to the individual mp to decide. Where I live voted remain.

I do not have a party and pretty much dislike all of them.

The Lib Dems live in Lala land
The Torys are for the rich
The Labour party is the party that supports the poor and keeps them poor. If you were poor in 97 you were poor in 2010 but getting more handouts. If you were rich in 97, you stayed that way.

For me it was the way it was done, It was literally the only bargaining chip. He just threw it away by immediately saying he would implement the whip.
He's a terrible politician.

Another Jess Phillips fan here, loved her autobiography. Fingers crossed

cool no worries we are all on the same side here I think.

Totally agree about John smith his death was a immense tragedy for the country. He would have been a great PM.

It has to get better right?

I'm Tory. I did think of joining Labour just to keep him in.

But on a serious note I just can't imagine Raynor or Phillips opposite May at the Despatch Box.

Although people here don't rate his leadership skills highly, no one has argued against his policies and ultimately these are more important than the charisma or perceived intelligence of the leader.

I could've written the op. I had such high hopes for Corbyn when he was elected. But he's been a disaster. For the party and the country

Although people here don't rate his leadership skills highly, no one has argued against his policies

You mean the policies he actually has an opinion on, or the ones he flip flops over, or the ones he contradicts actual Labour policy?

pigletwas I mean his ten pledges.

I don't really know what his policies are because he is so ineffectual at communication

clay but to put those policies, such as they are, into reality you have to win a general election and labour won't under Corbyn. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinkered.

I feel your pain too. We need a credible opposition.

To be honest after the ridiculous 'Ed stone' I thought no one could be worse for labour and along came Corbyn.

pigletwas I mean his ten pledges.

They aren't policies, they are pledges. There is no breakdown or costing etc on how they would be achieved. Without this, no matter how good they may or may not be, they are pointless.

And the policies are lost in the infighting and disarray.

I despair. If the party doesn't act soon their will be no chance of labour winning the 2020 election so it will be 2025 (unless there is a no confidence vote). Corbyn's weakness is not only bad for the party but looks likely to see many more children slip below the poverty line. As a direct result of tax and benefit decisions made since 2010 (first the coalition, then the Tory govt) the Institute for Fiscal Studies project that the number of children in relative poverty will have risen from 2.3 to 3.6 million in 2020.
To be a leader you need to lead and make difficult decisions. Sometimes that involves compromise - JC is letting his principles get in the way of helping the people who really need it.