To leave the Labour Party?

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I'm one of the 40k I voted against corbyn desperate to salvage a party that might at least be decent opposition but he's making sure there is no effective opposition so I'm in arrears on my membership. I no longer feel I can identify with the party or its views.

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I'm struggling with this too. I'm very disappointed in the PLP at the moment

I'm sitting tight in the hope I will help see off Corbyn. We're going to get a mauling if a GE is called though .

Totally agree with Maisypops

maisy I can't agree he had spectacularly failed in holding this government to account! That's the main reason I find him so bloody disgraceful.

It angers me that the Lib Dems have thrown away their potential chance to be an alternative and credible opposition by Nick Clegg's desire for short term power being placed over long term strategy.

I am very left wing, currently despair of the Labour Party but cannot bring myself to join the Lib Dems due to their coalition allowing the stories to penalise sick and disabled people, children and the NHS plus their fucking of pretty much every public service.

What worries me, as a parent of older DC, is that without a credible opposition, the Tories will remain in power long enough to complete their desire to fuck my childrens' generation too.

I have recently been feeling very nostalgic for the late 90s and sad that my DCs' lives will be so different from my life at their ages. All that optimism and hope, it's very sad.

Interestingly my DC have enquired about the Green Party - I really think for their generation there is a gap waiting to be filled by a party positioning themselves as "ethical" with associated policies...

For me Corbyn has just highlighted that the PLP are more interested in infighting than being effective opposition.

A lot of them don't know what they stand for. Some of them are just career politicians who would say anything to get on, who looked at which party was on the rise in the 90s when they signed up at the student union. They totally ignore the views of the membership who want a party that is to the left of the Tories, instead of apologists for austerity and targetting the poor.

The problem is not Corbyn, he is a symptom. I became a member after he was elected the first time as his policies were something I could vote for. I had voted Labour in 1997 but after then had voted Green or LibDem as their policies were more to the left, and Labour were authoritarian.

I was stupid really to join, as clearly the PLP still contains loads of New Labour people. I am pretty disillusioned and will think very carefully about whether to renew my membership when the time comes.

I'm with MsRinky
Anyway, I left when they whipped to vote to trigger article 50. I'd been persuading myself for ages to stay to try and vote Corbyn out.

That was my rationale. I can't vote for, let alone be a member of, a pro-Brexit Party.

They have a poor Leader who has no intention of doing the decent thing and Parliamentary Party who appear incapable of getting him out.

The really sad thing is Labour people blaming Corbyn for Brexit when the blame is absolutely, 100%, squarely on the shoulders of the Government and the wider Conservative party.

I've voted Labour all my like.(53) .l have been an ardent and loyal voter. I've never been a floating voter, and am red to the core.

However, next election l will voting Lib Dem. I want to remain inEurope, and they seem to be the only Party who are focusing on this. I cannot believe that l am actually considering this.But l am. Never thought the sorry day would ever come, but it has

I joined to try and get rid of Corbyn post Brexit. I was so angry that he had been so weak in his campaigning to remain. He let the people he's meant to represent down, badly. And he's an ineffective leader. There's no real Opposition at the moment, which is terrible for our democracy. I would have stayed if they'd have become an effective party again. But they did not. So I left again as it's clear Labour want him. Fine for them but they're clearly not the party for me. I want a party that will give a shit about ordinary people and make the effort to fight for them, to oppose cuts to the NHS, education, legal aid, disability benefits and all the other things that made this country a civilised, good place to live.

I don't know who I'll vote for at the next election. Generally I've been a Labour voter but I can't vote for them now. There's no one I could vote for with anything even approaching a clear conscience.

Voting lib Dem is not going to keep us in the EU though is it? That ship has sailed.

They totally ignore the views of the membership who want a party that is to the left of the Tories, instead of apologists for austerity and targetting the poor.

The membership seems to be ignoring the general electorate that don't vote for far left policies.

Asking PLP to get behind a man who rebelled against leader all of his political career is quite ironic.

I think Labour will ditch Cornyn post 2020 when it becomes massively apparent that there never was this secret mass of millions of disenfranchised socialists who would vote for Corbyn but not for Miliband. The only way Corbyn can win is if TM massively screws up Brexit, but tbh I think she'll do a reasonable job. Or as good a one as is possible.

To answer coconutella way earlier in the thread, there are many reasons why I dislike the libdems, but the are not a viable option is because of the system favouring two parties, the fact that they currently have so few seats, and Farron is not the kind of leader who will spark mass appeal. That's apart from the hangover from the last coalition.

I went to see the play Limehouse last week about the weekend the SDP formed. (I couldn't stand the SDP by the way). And none of that made me optimistic about Labour dividing into 2 parties. For those who don't remember, it didn't end well.

Do you think the Tories felt like this when Blair got into power? Putting up with Hague, Howard and Duncan-Smith? But then the Tories always have the arrogance of them being the natural party of government.

Er, that should say believing they are the party of government. Slightly different.

gracie

I don't blame Corbyn for Brexit but I do blame him for being so small minded and stupid that he wouldn't physically share a platform with Cameron to stand shoulder to shoulder with him to put the case for remain.

He didn't and again the labour parties complete ignoring and belittling of many of their former core voters concerns on immigration led to the upsurge of support in ukip and the Brexit result. Gordon browns piss taking of the voters concerns was catastrophic.

Labour have been out of touch with the electorate from brown onwards.

tobee on s frivolous note was the play good?

It was well acted Doyouwant, gave a feeling of the time. But each of the 4 make a speech about their own politics and I drifted off a bit there . Not as much fun or about the essence of being in politics as This House was, but at £20 a pop for live theatre in London, with excellent cast, you can't complain.

I'm staying put, hoping Corbyn stops being an arrogant wanker and resigns. I can't bear what he has become. He surrounds himself with cronies all seemingly blind to the fact he has absolutely no chance of winning a GE. He can have all the wonderful polices he likes but has no chance of putting them into practice.

Thanks tobee

I am not a labour party member and despite having a post-grad degree in politics, work in politics and am a political activist I have not voted for years.

But I will vote Labour in the next election if Corbyn is still leader.

I will not now or ever give my vote to a party I do not agree with and that is what the right of the Labour party is to me. If Corbyn is removed it will make no material difference if Labour or the Tories are re-elected in the next election we will just get more of the same rubbish we have had for the last few decades.

The biggest problem with our political system is short-termism - everything is done for the next parliament/election or to get the best results/soundbite in the short term - there has been a complete absence of long term planning for decades

If we want a fairer, more equal society that works for everyone in it then the Labour Party need to accept they will not win the next election or even the one after but sticking with Corbyn will allow the hideous society the Tories want to develop but the population will have a opposition, presenting the failings and arguing for an alternative, presenting the evidence for that alternative ready for a swing to the left again - this will lead to a better society for all for generations to come.

Getting rid of Corbyn may mean the Labour Party gets elected but it will not be a party worth having - we might as well stick to the Tories and accept the population may never realise there is a better option than the single version of the hideous society they have voted in.

there are no policies that are backed up with good economic structure that's why his advisers walked away he would not listen

He has surrounded himself mainly with people who agree with everything he and McDonnell put forward and then they had to go through a number of MP's before being able to establish a shadow cabinet

Keir Starmer may come across as wooden but he is articulate, intelligent, experienced at the highest level of negotiationing and comes across as far more competent than Corbyn could ever hope to

May is wooden but she is proving to be very popular right now voters will be looking for someone they feel can lead the country through difficult times while negotiationing our leave from the EU no one can truly believe Corbyn could handle such difficult negotiations

The membership seems to be ignoring the general electorate that don't vote for far left policies.

So we just accept that? Let the right wing media dominate, let right wing parties dominate the political agenda and let people being taken further and further right? Say anything, just to get elected? Bollocks to that.

It is far from easy as this has been allowed to happen since the 1980s. But Labour need to lead the political agenda and not follow the tabloid one.