To leave the Labour Party?

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I'm one of the 40k I voted against corbyn desperate to salvage a party that might at least be decent opposition but he's making sure there is no effective opposition so I'm in arrears on my membership. I no longer feel I can identify with the party or its views.

Plus the fact that most of Corbyn's policies are not even left, they are pretty pragmatic. Even right wingers agree on limiting the excesses of capitalism and building council houses.

So we just accept that?

You listen to it and not ignore it and not shout 'red Tory or Tory lite' Nor do you call for MPs deselection and call them traitors.

The elecrorate are the peoples votes who are needed.

Nor do you as is seen from this thread, push out long time Labour members and voters.

Bollocks to that

Fine if that is you attitude. Prepare to be decimated in the next GE and out of power for a very long time.

I would have thought with all your political knowledge you would know that we are not a left leaning country when it comes to voting

People may say they they like certain ideas but when it comes out of their pockets they are suddenly not so keen

Let's hope it's the left of the party members that are now now losing interest and leaving as they can now see that Corbyn will never ever be PM (it was obvious from the start for the majority of people) there is another party they can join and Corbyn would be more at home in and that's the Socialist Labour Party but if he did or had when other left Labour he wouldn't have had a career as a back bencher

But then many including Corbyn would rather stay be in opposition now matter how pathetically poor it is and it has never looked so pathetic than have the chance of broadening the appeal (and Labour has always been or meant to have appealed to many) and being in power

A support for a poor and weak opposition and how is that excatly good for the country the public deserve better

I think Labour need to be decimated and start again, in some ways. They won't become an electable party, or exist in the long term, unless they get rid of a lot of the PLP and get some competent candidates. And they can't do that without a strong membership base.

when it comes out of their pockets they are suddenly not so keen

Left doesn't mean costing more money. The current government and previous government's policies are doing a fine job of that.

They won't become an electable party, or exist in the long term, unless they get rid of a lot of the PLP and get some competent candidates

You mean people you agree with. Labour has lots of competent MPs.

they won't do that without a strong membership

Exactly what do you mean?

Oh really and how will the money be raised to increase finding to social care, education, the NHS, renationalising the train system

Oh yes one idea is higher rates on business tax just when we will need more than ever to make the UK attractive to investors

I think people are being short sighted here. There's this expectation that you can only have a leader like Blair or Corbyn. There's plenty of people in between. It's perfectly possible to have someone who knows how to win general elections like Blair but be more left/centrist of the party. You don't have to self destruct and have Corbyn as leader. Blair is history.

Btw agree about Corbyn's stupid Lenin cap and Len McCluskey's self satisfied grin make me want to scream.

I am very depressed by the state of the Labour Party and the prospect of 30 years of Tory rule but that is why I have recently joined. Things can only get better right?

Didn't Labour win three consecutive elections with low party membership

I think you will find that high number of party membership = higher percentage of voters is spin from Corbyn's pr team

Yes, Labour won three elections with the sort of Blairite policies that so many Labour members despise.

I honestly think that many members of the party would rather the Tories won than a centre-left Labour Party. Madness

i agree bit those bloody blairites that gave the NHS a huge boost, introduced the minimum wage, tax credits. Whereas you can rail against the tories without making any compromises on your idealism.

There's a lot of people on here speaking a lot of sense, clearly and eloquently put. Don't s'pose anyone's in the market for taking it further???

i fear rebuilding the labour party is a long haul job now, so things will likely get worse before they get better. Anyone see the momentum/unite plot to infiltrate the party talked about in the guardian? The party membership won't get it until the tories bag another 100 seats at the next GE. I'm wondering why the lib-dems and soft left haven't broken away to form a coalition to campaign on a soft brexit ticket really.

having said that there's a third way between blair and corbyn, with the benefit of hindsight my view of the blairites' competence has gone up - blair was right to keep the left out of key positions (skinner, corbyn et al) as he ruthlessly did in the run up to 1997. At the time I thought it was slightly stalinist, now I think it was merely bloody sensible.

Corbyn is a very determined man.

Labour and the left should get behind him and support him. Now is not the time for infighting and trying to oust him. He may not be quick on his feet in parliamentary debates, but he is principled and working to makes lives better.

But his hat has to go!

Labour and the left should get behind him and support him.

He can't expect something he has never given himself.

Musing on this, the only hope I can see is Theresa May calling a snap election, Labour losing badly (too scared to say annihilated) and Corbyn going, Theresa May calling Nicola Sturgeon's bluff, independence for Scotland vote which is then lost and SNP forming a left leaning alliance with Labour and moving on from there. But that would have many bumps along the way and take a very long time. Which we haven't got. So much has been messed up since 2010 and the overwhelming money and time needed to be spent on leaving the EU will mean the Tories can quietly privatise the NHS etc. etc. Mind you, if only McCluskey would lose the Unite leadership election that would help. I don't see UKIP being a huge threat to Labour but the Tories will gain from some of their supporters voting Tory.

If Corbyn cared about the labour party's electoral fortunes he'd be gone already. There's no way I'm getting behind a leader that can't build consensus and who I seriously doubt could execute anything.

He has every chance of taking Labour into power, but not without each and every Labour member and voter support.

Please let bygones be bygones regarding his lack of support in previous years, and get behind Corbyn, otherwise Labour will be relegated to the wilderness for years.

*Corbyn is a very determined man
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Is he though? I don't see much evidence. McDonnell and Momentum etc, yes.

Please let bygones be bygones regarding his lack of support in previous years, and get behind Corbyn

No sorry I can't nor can many many others.

tobee i'm with you up to the point where you mention the SNP - after they lose the next indy vote (crosses fingers and chants), I'd hope to see a massive resurgence in the labour vote in Scotland and labour heading to a crushing defect of the tories all over the UK...we can dream!

Corybyn is very determined, yes, to see the labour party relegated to a protest movement run by the militant left.

it's obvious from the polls Corbyn has absolutely no chance of winning even if every single member and MP got behind him and started singing his praises.