Betrayed by TM.

[Itisnoteasybeingdifferent]

We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

[Meowstro]

Thank you 2bees! I, for one, like my human rights being protected.

Have a

[twofingerstoEverything]

An analogy:
I don't like chicken, so I'm going to vote against it...
(Gets served plate of sheep bollocks)
Wails.
But I don't like sheep bollocks.

[smallchanceofrain]

EU allergies directive keeps my son from dying.....,,,,,

^ This

Lot of other reasons too. Face it OP. When you voted you had no idea what was being offered and you believed a lie painted on a bus.

The vote to leave the EU was a triumph for people who are economically illiterate and socially ignorant or bigoted - depending on whether you belong to the "I'm not racist I just think immigration is putting a strain on our services" camp or the jingoistic racist camp.

That said, there's no point worrying about it (unless you are an EU national wondering whether you and your British born children might have to leave the UK) because it will take so long to disentangle ourselves and start to understand the consequences I'll be dead by the time reality hits. Sadly it will be our children living with the consequences.

[Smashedinductionhob]

Ah ok so not the Leeds uni first year undergrads.

[Peregrina]

You are not being led down the garden path - it was always going to be the plan. (In so far as the Government has a plan.) When the various colonies gained Independence, they did the same. It's impossible to rewrite decades of laws overnight. I believe the Republic of Ireland still has laws passed when they were part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

You are getting exactly what you voted for, so why the complaints?

[userformallyknownasuser1475360]

*Today 09:39 carabos

And Lakie it's a Foundation degree - accessible to people from non-traditional academic routes - it doesn't mean they are thick hmm. So much intellectual snobbery on MN.
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To be fair I don't think you can discuss intellectual snobbery when the establishment you are discussing allows people to study law without them having a grasp of what a referendum is, especially, as I said before, when they had the opportunity to vote in one.

The word referendum is GCSE level stuff!!

[TheWoodlander]

Sorry OP, but just how do "EU allergies directives" negatively impact on you??

[RachelRagged]

Another thread to hide. The abuse to leavers is spiteful and bullying. Nice!

[Anniegetyourgun]

accessible to people from non-traditional academic routes - it doesn't mean they are thick

No, of course the non-traditional route thing doesn't mean they are thick. What the majority appear to believe about the referendum, however, suggests they are, at the very least, spectacularly misinformed. There's a lot of it about.

ps Nobody mentioned the Data Protection or Freedom of Information which started life as EU regulations - but then again, there's a lot of misinformation about them as well. Data Protection gets blamed for a lot of things that it doesn't actually say.

pps someone said earlier you do know that equal pay legislation was started in the 60's, championed by Barbara Castle long before we entered the EU - ah yes, Barbara Castle, that famous Conservative

[Iwantausername]

how awful for the EU to state that no one should work more than 48hrs unless they volunteer to do so.
How awful for the EU to protect people with allergies to prevent them from going into anaphylactic shock.
How awful for the EU to stop us from draining our waters of sea life...
Terrible, awful.. Hope we leave soon. Or er, not.

[Inertia]

It's incredible that people are shocked about being betrayed by May. The woman is perfectly willing to betray herself and her own beliefs for political gain - she was a remain campaigner prior to the referendum - so she's more than willing to throw everyone else under the bull-shit covered bus.


We already were a soverreign country.

We already had our own laws, made in the UK Parliament.

We already had the best possible deal from the EU, with several exceptions on major policies.


The Quitters are going to get what they voted for. It will benefit virtually nobody. People will find out the hard way that it was never the EU or immigrants that made their lives difficult . The poor, those in insecure jobs and housing, those with disabilities, the NHS, the education and social care systems - all are likely to struggle even more after Brexit, but without any kind of regulatory cushion to protect them from discrimination.

[Megatherium]

So do tell us, OP, precisely what you thought would happen as a result of Brexit?

At the time of the referendum result, I had fun sympathising with Leave voters that they were doomed to sore disappointment because it was never going to come anywhere close to meeting their expectations. That prediction is coming true sooner than I anticipated.

[Reow]

RachelRagged where is the abuse? All I'm seeing is facts.

[treaclesoda]

EU allergies directive keeps my son from dying.....

No, no, no. In the good old days when British people were British, no one had any of those namby pamby allergies. If your face swelled up and your windpipe closed over, you just straightened your stiff upper lip and got on with things.

[Olympiathequeen]

If this is the case I am overjoyed. I'm a Leaver and I want to keep some EU regulations relating to trade if it allows us access to the single market. Quite happy with free movement of labour if there is no undercutting UK wages. Hovering on movement of people provided there are immigration safeguards. What we pay currently into the EU is a fraction of other expenditure.

As for clean air and clean beaches, the people of this country are more than able to elect governments who will ensure this happens. It's the people who vote not governments who control what becomes law. France and Germany also have smog despite EU laws.

Clean beaches didn't come about because the EU decided British beaches were full of crap but because many European beaches were in the same position.

The clock won't be turned back 40 years to smog, 80 hour weeks, shitty beaches. That's absurd. It's also an insult to all the British people that we are unable to enact good laws. We are one of the oldest democracies in the world.

If anyone says we are not capable of making our own laws I would like to point out that our animal welfare laws are superior to any in Europe. And as for giving subsidies to deprived areas....it's our own money. The EU can't possibly give us anything financially if we are net contributors.

So if we can do a deal and stay in the single market, we can also explore and make deals with other countries like the US. Especially as the EU will still be pissing about with Ttip for the next 20 years.

[treaclesoda]

I am not a fan of Theresa May at all, but I do think that it is a little bit unfair to criticise her for working on Brexit even though she campaigned against it. The referendum was held and Brexit was what was decided on, so she doesn't really have the option of ignoring that, and since she is now the PM she has to get on with it I suppose. And she can't be seen to be weak, so she has to throw herself into it all as if she thinks it is the best idea in the world.

[Peregrina]

Don't forget that some of the EU legislation was proposed by the UK. Should we rip that up too?

To RachelRagged - by all means hide the thread. At the first sign of being questioned, Leavers start throwing their toys out of the pram.

[StrangeLookingParasite]

Another thread to hide. The abuse to leavers is spiteful and bullying. Nice!

Awww, do you have a sad from hearing the truth? Terrible.

[catgirl1976]

DH thinks I'm undemocratic but I honestly think there should be some sort of test before you're allowed to vote on a matter. Just to make sure you've got a bit of an inkling of what you're actually voting for and why.

Believing blatant lies written on a bus or hysteria printed in the Daily Mail will not result in my officials handing you your ballot paper in my New World Order.

[Olympiathequeen]

OP where is this said about TM adopting all you listed? So far she's only said access to the single market, but I'm happy to read any links supporting your post.

[wictional]

Yes yes yes 2bees !!!

at least we left the EU so all our cultural funding disappeared and my £20k debt on my masters degree to work in a sector dependent on EU culture funding is worth fuck all; that really makes me feel accomplished

[Smashedinductionhob]

What is the subject matter of this discussion?

I cannot see anything on BBC.co.uk.

[EnthusiasmIsDisturbed]

I agree we are a progressive country and do not fear that we shall take huge steps back into times when these laws were not in place

But it does depend on who is in government and what they feel is more productive to keep in place

And right now that is a Tory government and will be for at least another eight years I don't have great faith in them we only have to look at where they are cutting spending to know they are willing to take those risks regardless of the struggles it brings people

[Lweji]

I've given it some time now, so, @Itisnoteasybeingdifferent, what specific EU-related laws would you like to get rid of and what's so bad about them?

[Megatherium]

How dreadful that we may adopt EU animal welfare standards. Yes, those would be the animal welfare standards that we introduced in the first place.