Betrayed by TM.

[Itisnoteasybeingdifferent]

We are being led down the path by TM who is now propsing to simply adopt every EU regulation, statute and Law wholesale.

We are beset by EU allergies directives, EU waste directives, EU working time directives, EU this EU that EeU fisheres directives...... We were told we can be a sovereign country if we leave the EU.

We were not told we will have to adopt every EU law wholesale.. We don't have to adopt them. We can and should create laws that meet our needs not paper pushers in Brussels.

[Megatherium]

My point here not very articulate is that having qualified EU docs and nurses isn't an issue.

It will very definitely become an issue when they leave the country due to Brexit and/or can't be replaced for the same reason.

[Megatherium]

The issue around children born to foreign-born parents is irritatingly misleading, because it fails to take into account that, as a country, we have a colonial past and hence many entirely British people have been born abroad - me included. It also ignores phenomena such as long term army and other service placements abroad, to say nothing of people who work in other countries or just happen to give birth when on holiday.

[remoaniac]

I think Mega beat me to it - but some of those foreign-born mothers might have British parents.

And take an example - I have a British friend (English born, of Scottish parents) - who went to live in Germany. Met and married a German lady. First child was born in Germany. They then came to live in the UK. Had a second child. How would you classify that family? Immigrants?

And when the first child has kids of his own, will you be moaning about him being foreign born even though he had a British father and went to school in the UK?

The world has moved on. Borders and nationalities should have become a lot less important.

[RufusTheRenegadeReindeer]

Cliff richards

[HashiAsLarry]

And when the first child has kids of his own, will you be moaning about him being foreign born even though he had a British father and went to school in the UK?
There were at least one set of dodgy stats floating about pre-referendum about the costs of educating migrant children. In those were the children of people with one foreign parent/holders of dual nationality. My parents actually quoted this at me and I and said you know that includes your GC right?

[Lweji]

There were at least one set of dodgy stats floating about pre-referendum about the costs of educating migrant children.

But then immigrants go in the workforce education free. And their children will go on to contribute.

It's the emigrants that are not cost effective.

[smallchanceofrain]

I believe that immigration along with an ageing pop puts stress and pressure on all services.

Who is going to care for our aging population if we tighten up on immigration? There are already recruitment problems in the NHS and in the private residential and home care sectors. Services for older people will just collapse without the migrant workforce.

[Lweji]

On top of that UK's elderly won't easily be able to migrate to cheaper southern European countries.

[HashiAsLarry]

But then immigrants go in the workforce education free. And their children will go on to contribute.
Absolutely. And if their children have made their lives here their children's children who are born here shouldn't really be classed as immigrants I'd strongly contest.

[DilysPrice]

On the downside - Boris Johnson.
On the upside, Joanna Lumley.

[Lweji]

Have you seen Colbert joking about Maddow's overhyped tax return piece?

He was not the only one. She does like to take her time, which I find annoying, and she definitely overdid it this time.

[Lweji]

Ups, wrong thread, but ENJOY.

[Ta1kinPeace]

The core problem is that from 2010 onwards TM as Home secretary demonised immigrants.
The whole "down to tens of thousands" was her construct.
It played right into Farage's slimy hands
And was a significant factor in the June outcome.

The fact that the demonisation was always wrong is something TM has never been forced to address
and we are all stuck with the consequences.

[Peregrina]

The core problem is that from 2010 onwards TM as Home secretary demonised immigrants.

Thus legitimising an underlying suspicion of 'the other'. Now it's Poles and East Europeans generally; after the War it was West Indians and Indian/Pakistanis, before that Irish.

I believe too that in the handful of areas where there was a high influx, the relief available was abolished.

[AllMyBestFriendsAreMetalheads]

A bit of light relief for the morning

[Cailleach1]

"pps someone said earlier you do know that equal pay legislation was started in the 60's, championed by Barbara Castle long before we entered the EU"

This was a great achievement. However, what was a great improvement was the concept of equal pay for work of equal value. When there was/is a feminisation of certain jobs, the pay may not have been so good. Maybe not as good as jobs traditionally done by males. The idea of the relative value of the jobs was a boon for women.

'The 1970 Act only dealt with equal pay for the same work but in 1975 the EU directive on Equal Pay was passed based on article 119. A 1982 judgement by the European Court of Justice led to the UK amending the Equal Pay Act in 1983 in order to incorporate the concept of equal value into UK law.'

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