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Humiliated and so angry at 4 year old

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hadenough7 · 07/03/2017 16:45

I'm so angry and exhausted and really need some perspective on whether I'm being unreasonable. 4 year old is sweet and lovely at times but very demanding and needs constant attention. He has to be asked to do everything 10 times. He's very impulsive and does things he knows he's not supposed to, mostly without thinking then regrets it I think. He makes a mess everywhere. I can't get anything done all he says is mummy mummy mummy all day long. He asks for snacks every 5 minutes. I'm worn out and snappy. Today I really haven't been very nice at all. We were going to a class we do regularly. I told him we were going, all fine in the car, got there and got changed, played with his friends in the waiting room. Times to go in and he starts crying and clinging to me. I tried to encourage him but he refused to go in. Class started without him. I had his younger brother toddling around and said come on everyone's waiting, we don't have time for this. He started really crying and carrying on. I started to get really annoyed as I felt like he'd waited until we'd all gone to all the effort of getting him here and then chose to kick off in front of everyone. The teacher said he's got really bad separation anxiety but has he? Or is he just being a pain in the arse? I just can't see anything clearly anymore I feel so mad at him because life is a constant struggle, his brother gets ignored and I just feel like I'm failing him and failing at life in general. He is just such hard work. Ended up leaving class in a massive tantrum with everyone looking. He's already tried to bite me in the supermarket and completely ignored me in the park when I told him to come. I just look stupid and end up shouting and I hate being a shouty parent. I just want to bring out the best in him like his amazing pre-school teachers but I honestly think I bring out the worst in him.

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thenovice · 09/03/2017 09:54

I totally sympathise with how humiliating it feels, but I can offer some encouragement. I have one just like this. DD2 is 5 and still has the meltdowns when she is taken to classes/parties or indeed randomly at any time. It always feels so public and other mums look so disapprovingly. She has also had severe sleep problems and has been unable to "self-settle" at night. I was told it was separation anxiety and developmental delay (in all other areas such as school work she is top). She has now got through that stage and we are in the "terrible twos". It is much easier to deal with now that I understand that it is a developmental delay and we are passing through stages, just a bit later than most people. Since I know she is behaving like a 2 year-old, I can deal with her as a 2 year old without getting so wound up. This too will pass Smile Good luck.

Aurora87 · 09/03/2017 10:35

It's not always the case, you could be talking about my son and he is currently being assessed for ADHD and atypical ASD. 'Classic' autism for want of a better phrase isn't the only type of autism. x

Verbena37 · 09/03/2017 10:55

I don't think DS has ASD. I might be wrong in my assumptions but he is very loving and affectionate and also empathetic, he recognises when I'm sad and tries to make me feel better. He also has an amazing imagination and tells lots of weird stories and does lots of role play

So does my DS but he has high functioning ASD.
Role playing is a key feature of PDA in particular....where the child role plays either animals or other people to make themselves fit in.
I'm not suggesting your DS has ASD, but I just wanted to quash your idea of what ASD is. It's obviously very different in every child but being empathetic, being loving and role playing certainly doesn't mean they cannot also be autistic.

Holldstock1 · 09/03/2017 11:04

OP, I am absolutely not saying your DS has ASD or anything like that, but I would just like to clarify about what you've said re ASD mainly because alot of people don't understand about it, or what to look out for.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I have to just say about this because I think its too important not to. There are alot of children who miss out on help because people don't recognise the issues and many desperate parents who think they are 'bad parents' because they don't understand why their child is behaving like that.

Alot of people have quite set and simplistic ideas of what they think ASD looks like i.e. lack of empathy, emotion etc. It really depends on what type of ASD a child has. Someone with classic autism will behave very differently from a child with say Aspergers or ADHD. And, it also is dependant on how far along (the degree) the spectrum that child is. Also a child may well have more than one type, so will exhibit different combined aspects of each. My youngest was eventually diagnosed with DAMP, a completely made up term recognised only in Sweden and a couple of places in UK (its basically a good way for authorities to avoid doing anything to help the parents and they don't get a statement). DAMP (Deficit Attention Motor Perception) with aspects of ADHD and Dyspraxia - so he wasn't bad enough or straight forward enough to warrant a diagnosis of one or the other.

We didn't know what we were looking at before he was diagnosed because he didn't fit in with what we thought ASD was. My son is extremely intelligent (even from an early age), extremely imaginative, has excellent knowledge, debating and language skills (beyond his age - which was especially noticeable when comparing to other children when he was in pre-school/Foundation stage), understood and seemed to empathize with and sensitive to the feelings of others, could focus and be absorbed with a toy, game or project he was interested in. But would have extremes of overwhelming emotion that he just couldn't handle which meant that he had terrible extremes of behaviour, mood swings etc, as well as short term memory issues and some physical motor things which we didn't notice or understand until we knew what we were dealing with. Would you think that a Pre-School/Foundation child who could talk knowledgeably about life in WWII France, but consistently didn't bring the hat and the toy you asked him to fetch from his room multiple times and always ended up doing something else, as a child who is ignoring, defying, being rude to you etc etc? Or would you think by saying you wanted a hat and a toy his short term memory wasn't processing the words in the right way and one or both of the objects were 'disappearing' by the time he got to his room??? ASD doesn't always look like you think.

I say this as my son wasn't diagnosed until he was in Year 1 of Primary. And I also think he only got picked up on because his class teacher was the SENCO and it was in her best interests to get him, and the other boy in her class who was the same diagnosed. We had a bad experience with his first primary school. Alot of the time schools do not want to really know because it ends up costing them money if a child is diagnosed, even if they aren't statemented. We spent the first few years up to that point thinking we were bad parents who just couldn't handle what was going on. Getting that diagnosis was terrible - it felt like we were almost grieving for him, but it also gave us a massive sense of relief- we weren't bad parents and we weren't going crazy. I always think knowledge is power. It can only help to know what you are dealing with.

Sorry to say all this on this thread. And OP I'm definitely not saying your son is on autistic spectrum.

mumindoghouse · 09/03/2017 13:18

Feel for you.
4 is hard. Keeping your attention away from DC2?
Have you tried reward charts with lots of brightly coloured stickers?
Put a timer to ping at snack time.
Re the activity today had similar with DS2 over swimming. He'd been going fine then really big fuss refusal etc. In hindsight should have just taken him out but tried to get him to continue. After we moved and it took a while to return to the swimming. By then he was keen and progressed really fast. Maybe don't force it if he's having off day.
And remember this too will pass!

user1484578224 · 09/03/2017 13:22

OP......little boy sounds adorable. They can be bloody hard work. Sometimes tired/got a virus whatever. Maybe that all it is.
Do you ever double up with another parent and that way you could get a break say alternate Saturday mornings.

janex1 · 09/03/2017 13:22

My DS is now 19 I remember what he was like at that age- very shy but very stubborn and always wanting to be with me and his baby sister. I cut back on the things and did more low key stuff like library visits which he loved.I learned to meet him half way on issues if not we could sometimes have a stalemate that could last for hours. Everytime we passed the local shop he would ask for sweets so we created "Friday sweets" which we stuck to for years. He actually enjoyed that type of boundary. That natural stubbornness will probably stand him in good stead in the future as he will probably be a determined person in general. Stick with is - I definitely did my fair share of shouting but realised that it never had a positive effect.

dramaticpenguin · 09/03/2017 18:25

My youngest is a summer born boy so was just 4 when he started at the school I work at and went absolutely crazy every morning when I had to leave him in class, and if I ever had to be in his class he would attach himself then start crying immediately that he realised I was only there for a short while. At one point he threw his shoes at my line manager! It took alot of love and patience from me and the staff AND alot of walking away and leaving him to get on with it but it did improve, especially when we made a few changes, someone else takes him to class from breakfast club, I avoided him in the day for the first year etc. He's in year 1 now and mostly fine. It will get better, but takes alot of deep breathing and support from others. The thrive approach really helps with anxious children, if your preschool has someone trained, you could ask them for some strategy suggestions. Good luck x

bluebellsparklypants · 09/03/2017 22:24

Must be very hard juggling the two,
Please don't think I'm digging or anything at you but just love him the less you react in anger hopefully the situation will stay calm or at least calm quickly. He is only young and just needs guidance with his emotions still, is 1-1 time possible?

annfield62 · 10/03/2017 05:00

Op my heart goes out to you. I know it's hard but have you tried praising his good behaviour and if it's possible ignoring his bad behaviour. Have you asked for advice from his nursery or school. Your not failing, your doing your best and trying to find a way of doing it better.

KatieHaslam22 · 10/03/2017 10:33

This is something you would be best to bring up with his health visitor, they have heard all the problems under the sun and will have the best advice on how to control or tackle the problem. It may be difficult to get an actual diagnosis for autism or any other behavioural condition until he is over 5, but she may be able to offer advice on techniques to help curb this behaviour and offer more support to you. If you arent at the point of asking his health visitor just yet then ask at nursery because they may have noticed the same issues and it's best for everyone involved with his care to be on the same page with the way they deal with it, if they haven't brought this behaviour to you then they must be managing it effectively.

Flowersinyourhair · 12/03/2017 10:33

I agree with others we calming down with the anger and humiliation. I think you need to put a bit of perspective on it. It was a class for 4 year olds. He didn't want to do it. It's not the end of the world and you're not the first parent in that position. I'd have a big long talk with him about next week.
Then I'd go shopping with him and choose a Lego set he really wants. Tell him he gets one piece of Lego every time he behaves well (you can discuss what that will look like). Each time you're going anywhere remind him of this and tell him how great this kit will be when it's complete.

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