to think the nanny is crossing boundaries?

[marathonman]

Which of these issues that I've had with a school wraparound plus occasional overnights nanny would bother or concern you the most? One primary school aged DC.

1. Showering/getting ready for work or nights out whilst supervising DC
2. Helping herself to food/toiletries when doing wraparound not overnights
3. Timekeeping issues - lateness arriving in mornings, not getting DC to school on time
4. Sleeping with DC in parents bed on overnight
5. Taking DC for own medical appointment rather than asking for cover
6. Asking parents to come home early on a babysitting night then going out and calling in sick then next day

I would just like reference for what other parents think would be an issue...

Mostly really helpful advice and it would be good to know what other people would expect to pay. Not to her but the next one

She's not a nanny - I think I'd have issues with most of those things on your list. Turning up to work in a dressing gown then being late getting kids to school is absolutely unacceptable.

Jesus, I pay my cleaner more than that, and her husband does my garden, and is again more.

£10ph is v low, £30 overnight is taking the piss.

3 and 6. Possibly 4 depending on circumstances

Just to be clear, that's net, not gross. Cleaner is £11, gardener £12.

She needs her P45 and marching orders.

She does sound very busy and is stretching herself too thinly and it's starting to creep into her work. She's obviously not a good "fit" for your family which is fine. Let her go. Pay the next one properly by the way.

These threads really worry me. People are being paid so little for serious hours, and the expectations in the way of conduct are crazily high. It seems quite exploitative, really. £30 overnight has to be less than minimum wage?!

£30 overnight is illegal.

DW has corrected me, the rates above are net not gross. I know it doesn't make much improvement on the overnights but I presume that makes the other hourly rates okay and in line with what a 'nanny' should earn.

You are massively underpaying her. I don't actually see a problem with any except 3. How many times has 6 happened? Surely it s impossible to prove she only phoned in sick because she had been out? Maybe she actually was genuinely sick?

Surely the overnights are mainly her sleeping but on hand for an emergency? Many years ago, I did sleeping nights in a care home and was paid a flat rate of £25 per night. Admittedly, times have changes, as have laws but would people really pay a living wage to someone to sleep at their home?

I don't know what you want from this thread. You already know her conduct is not acceptable.
But now you know neither is yours.

It used to be legal to pay below minimum wage for sleeping at a workplace. It is no longer. Now if you expect them to stay there and be available for work if needed, you have to pay minimum wage for each hour/

3 and 6. You need to speak to her and write down why you're unhappy before giving her the sack as otherwise she COULD be able to claim unfair dismissal

Dagnabit So yes if she wants someone there overnight, legally she needs to pay minimum wage for every hour.

I agree that nanny is not the correct terminology here but I guess as a comparison we could pay an au pair half and have more hours

An au pair can be paid less than the min wage because board in included. You cannot pay this lady less than the min wage because rent is not included, she pays rent somewhere else;

Just wanted to know whether had good grounds really for letting her go! It's not a clearly defined role as such, which is partly our fault, but if the majority had come back and said they wouldn't find these issues then perhaps I'd need to lower my expectations! Happy to be told we're wrong about the overnights but like I say, for wraparound care to be paying someone to essentially just be in the house with DC I would expect more than her using the time for her own activities.

We know for sure she didn't come in because she'd been out - asked us to be back by 10pm, she was all dressed up and then she texted at around 4/5am saying she wasn't in a fit state to come in at 7am

Brasty that's helpful, thank you

The law is now that if you are sleeping nights at your place of work, the minimum wage applies.

I'm a nanny and she's taking the piss. 3 and 6 especially! Depending on the scale of things the others could be considered dodgy too. 1 and 2 seem the only 'okay' to me (unless it's unopened food that you've said not to touch or something)

Rubies where is the line though? If we are paying for her to shower, toiletries, food, she keeps things here in the spare room then the only thing we aren't paying is rent! So we are frustratingly paying her a nanny rate and she's taking what we expect to provide for a cheaper live in au pair

Rubbish nanny, exploitative employer. If I knew someone who broke the law so blatantly as to charge £30 for a whole night, id shop them. You have no right to treat someone like that, and I hope you get caught. The law is there for a reason. Look up the minimum wage. You dare to flout the law and you whinge that she's stealing your toothpaste???

Can I ask what people think is a fair rate for overnight, assuming children are in bed and asleep, as will the nanny be for most of the time?
Genuine question as I have often wondered, and don't see it as work in the sense that they only have to do anything if a child wakes up. It's closer to being on call (which as a vet, I would get paid nothing extra for over my day time salary).
I very occasionally want an overnight babysitter but have never done it because I have never known what I would have to pay.