To ask how this is all going to end

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I see Brexit and Trump as symptomatic of a rise in right wing views (FWIW I do believe there is a legitimate argument for Brexit just that it has been overshadowed by other issues). In some respects I can even see where they are coming from (protectionist stand point) but what I don't understand is how any good can come of what is happening now. I don't believe Trump has the capacity to MAGA because the world he wants back does not exist anymore. I think his actions have a huge global impact and he is totally destabilising peace within western civilisations.

Genuinely what do people believe is going to happen now and how is this all going to end?

And yet there's a huge number of Americans who think trump is wonderful and has acted correctly in recent days.

This entire thread shows the reason Pres. Trump was elected. He is doing exactly what he said he would as he campaigned. People posting are "shocked and surprised" that he is in office and he is following thru, at the same time they call his supporters the daft and uneducated ones, or calling them sexist whilst making sexist statements. smh

I agree with those that say not enough people in the middle who will listen to both sides.

Few do this anymore, it's all my way or the highway, mind you on both sides of this mess. I get very leery of anyone who believes they know it all in any matter.

God, this is a depressing thread. I need gin

winterfairy "I don't believe we are moving back to the world of the fascists"
I think we are, looking at the voting patterns across Europe. The great thing is we still have the right to protest (only just since Thatcher), and these protests do span the generations, the genders and the cultures. Fascism got in pre WW2 because of self interest and because many people failed to speak up for others they perceived as different.............let's hope the collective moral compass points us in the direction that benefits the majority across the globe. Trump, in so many ways is not proven fit to know what the right moral direction is ..........he is simply nodding to what is popular. The tail should never wag the dog.........

how is this all going to end?

I suspect these guys are going to show up...

People keep comparing Trumps' rise to president with Hitler's rise to power. BUT when Hitler was on the ascendant his government was executing non-followers in public. I repeat- people were being rounded up and executed out in the street- hung and left dangling to set and example for other non-followers of the Nazi regime. I think there is a big difference between Trump and Hitler.

Obama achieved economic growth despite the banking crisis.

People seem to have forgotten that the cause of the current austerity is the banking crisis/credit crunch. Every economist claims that protectionism and a Chinese/American trade war is bad for the global economy.

From a logical pov America; a huge landmass with a temperate climate, plenty of natural resources and an advanced infrastructure ought to take a large proportion of those refugees who would like to make a home in America.

Most of them elected Trump because Hilary had a vagina.

You have no evidence for this. Hillary was a bloody terrible candidate vagina or no. But I guess if the democrats had put forward someone better then maybe the electorate would have gone for that. We will never know now though.

I remember Regan quite clearly. Yes he was worrying and scary, but he was nowhere near in the league that Trump is. Trump is just an insane monster.

joystir did Hitler really execute opponents from the time he became Chancellor in 1933? I thought it was later than that (though my A level history is now over 20 years old so I could have forgotten).

And whilst you are absolutely correct that there is no evidence that Trump would even consider something so abhorrent, I think the lesson regarding Hitler's rise to power is somewhat more subtle: that he was democratically elected, became Fuhrer via referendum, controlled the media, reflected the populist views of the moment in a civilised and democratic nation. It is the fear of sleepwalking into a regime which is morally objectionable, without realising that it is even happening. In fact with it happening at the behest of 'the people'.

joystir59

That's not true. Where did you get it from?

By the end of the war, yes; and in the invaded lands, yes. By both the Axis and the Soviet forces. And by antifascists as well.

Kristallnacht wasn't until the late 30's was it? (A level history too). It took time for Hitler to go from distasteful populist view to genocide via a gradual ramping of policy.

I would strongly hope that this could not happen in the same way again. Hitler firmly controlled the media. With social media, mobile phones etc the suppression of events in this age would be harder. Perhaps not impossible. But very very difficult.

I'm more concerned that the people of both Europe and America are becoming so polarised. As has been said up thread, occupying the middle ground is dangerous to your health when vocal advocates of each extreme seek to label and box in people who don't hold exactly their view.

Kristallnacht was, IIRC, 1938.

It was. My grandfather was beaten up by facists on Kristallnacht and he left Austria very shortly afterwards. He found a haven in the UK where he did odd jobs, despite being a previously VIP Viennese government official. He then joined the USA army and became a Nazi hunter.

In today's world, if he had been from one of THE seven countries, I doubt he would have had such a future.

I'm not surprised by Trump. I refuse to stop being shocked, though.
I can't comprehend why is supporters don't see him as a con artist.

I still have faith in most human beings. If Anne Frank could do that then so shall I.

Im definately at the bottom of then pile financially being a single mum on a low wage who rents. I have intention of turning extremist or right wing. I remain centre left and proud.

I learnt about the executions that took place in Germany during the 1930s during a visit to the Topography of Terror museum in Berlin, and the nearby exhibition housed on the site of the former gestapo offices. People who resisted Hitler and the Nazi regime were executed in public. Imagine the terror. Imagine the bravery of those who resisted. There is a photo in this museum of one of Hitler's mass rallies that took place in Berlin. There is a sea of arms raised in the Nazi salute, thousands of arms. And in the midst of this sea of salutes there is one man standing with his arms folded. Imagine the bravery!

Good post Smiley

joystir I understand the opposition and resistance. I also understand how they were hunted and executed. But did that happen 1 week after Hitler became Chancellor? I think, as Piglet John has also asserted, that your facts are incorrect in that regard.

If we're going to learn from history we need to understand and remember it correctly.

Can we please unite and say "fuckitt, we're doomed"?

What I am asserting is that I really cannot imagine Trump creating the same terror and horror and genocide that Hitler did. I am asserting that Americans have it easy. Their economic and political situation is not that of 1930s Germany. During Hitler's rise to power his party were already using violence to quell opposition. Hitler became Fuhrer in 1933 with the Enabling Act which enabled Hitler to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag (parliament). By 1934 concentration camps had been set up to which dissenters were sent. In the camps food was limited, prisoners did hard labour and there were random beatings and executions.
In comparison America has it easy, even in the dispossessed poor rural areas. The democrats still failed to oust Trump because millions of Americans are racist, lawless, antisocial and backward, and had been seriously affronted by 8 years of a well educated black president with a social conscience.

Many people are shouting about President Trump.

I see danger from other areas.
The failure of the EU to get it's house in order giving rise to a two speed Europe and the emerging tensions between north and south.
China.... Buying up whole African economies in a bit to secure raw materials
The rise of militant islam leading to conflict in the oil supply regions... Consider a war between Iran and Israel.
North Korea... Kim will almost certainly try a pot shot when he sorts his toys.

Rogue anti matter offers an impirtant pespective about the banking crisis.

What she forgets is the Clinton caused the banking crisis by forcing banks to lend money to the sub prime market to let people buy their own home. Those people were bad financial risks but the banks were still forced to lend.. The result was predictable.

It was a noble idea. But like many noble political ideas it was deeply foawed.

Tapandgo No military allies we can trust? Really? Last time I looked, we had at least 27, plus partners, due to our membership of NATO, but perhaps you don't think that military alliance, which has been going since 1949, is of any value.

Yea, it is inconceivable that the Republicans would impeach Trump. Frankly, people who think this are just wishing it would happen rather than making a political analysis as to its likelihood

We aren't all doomed. Trump isn't going to be impeached. he isn't going to go around killing opponents either.