To ask how this is all going to end

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I see Brexit and Trump as symptomatic of a rise in right wing views (FWIW I do believe there is a legitimate argument for Brexit just that it has been overshadowed by other issues). In some respects I can even see where they are coming from (protectionist stand point) but what I don't understand is how any good can come of what is happening now. I don't believe Trump has the capacity to MAGA because the world he wants back does not exist anymore. I think his actions have a huge global impact and he is totally destabilising peace within western civilisations.

Genuinely what do people believe is going to happen now and how is this all going to end?

They didn't vote him in. Clinton got 3 million more votes. She won the popular vote. The electoral college swung it.

Yes, as is per the US electoral system. He was voted in with the exact same system as every single president that went before him.

We do seem to be losing centre ground, the left seem to be taking the stand that you are either with us or a piece of shit and the right are taking advantage

Yep.

The problem is Trump is Obama's legacy. People were obviously so unhappy under Obama that they voted in fucking Trump. Don't get me wrong, I love Barack Obama and think he is great, but you can't get away from the fact that he must have had something to do with Trump getting elected?

I really don't agree with this. I think misogyny played its part in Clinton losing.

I was surprised when watching the campaign at how let down certain parts of the US were with Obama. The world leader on the Global stage gaining admiration and cult like status whilst they felt totally ignored. Clinton being endorsed by Hollywood was the complete wrong impression for them voters it just strengthened the "them and us". Similar to when Cameron invited Obama and the "back of the queue" comment was a gift to the leave campaign.

Certain parts of the United States.............

I know MN is UK-centric. More of the US population lives between the coasts than on the coasts, East or West. Yet the coastal areas dominate the political, business, scientific, cultural, legal, and intellectual life of the nation, as London dominates in the UK; it's where movers and shakers choose to live and work once they escape small town life and leave forever.

That is where the left-behind population lives, in former industrial cities, mining areas, suburbs, small towns, trailer parks, and on farms. Those are the people who voted for Trump. I'm sure a lot held their noses as they ticked his name, but they were voting for a change away from "the establishment" which is as real, embedded, snobbish, and nearly-- as impenetrable as the British aristocracy.

Dawn I am a 51 year old professional cynic, who has been watching politics since the 70s, when Red Robbo and the unions held sway. Sorry you didn't understand the sarcasm in my post. Perhaps I should have written eye roll after it.

People voted for change, as the then current dispensation wasn't working for them. Why should they vote for more of the same? Have a look at Einstein's definition of insanity, which is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Reform wasn't happening in Brussels, and still isn't with Verhofstadt still banging the federalist drum, and in the U.S., people had questions about Hilary (too much baggage) and what would change. Why not vote for change?

The sad thing was that the two candidates on the ticket for POTUS were awful, and surely the U.S. could have done better, but you need money to run, and those candidates had it.

how's this going to end ? probably with trump and brexit threads taking over aibu

People voted for change

Well they've certainly got that.

There won't be world war three because we thought there would be with Reagan and there wasn't?

Uh, that's not a credible argument.

after ww1, people genuinely thought there wouldn't be another war...20 years later...

Trump is horrendous- not only his nasty views but the tyrannical way he goes about things. I believe most people will understand this soon. We have to hope for impeachment before too much damage is done.

I don't think pence is worse - I think he'll obey procedure and is therefore not as dangerous- I mean pence will set back America in terms of women's rights, gay rights, etc, fifty years- he would be horrendous for non religious Americans but trump is absolutely calamitous for the world.

I wonder what will happen to the US economy.

US has for so long been a research & affluence Mecca for the rest of the world -- now, not so much. A lot of USA wealth came from them being the Land of Get-Rich & Live Happy.
Trump clings to a vision of USA as The SuperPower that can boss everyone else around.
I'm not sure that world exists any more. China, Europe, other countries -- are much more rivals now (as places to live happy & be rich) than they were in 1960.
If Trump stays in power long enough, and keeps up his crazy shit, or if his supporters keep voting in other egomaniacs like him, we could see some really weird global shifts in development.

I'm worried that there will be a military coup that seems like a good thing at the very beginning and ends like an extract from The Handmad's Tale. Please tell me I'm being stupid.

Everyone has the right to an opinion and representation, wars were fought over such things. I do believe that certain points of view have been silenced - it doesn't mean that the view point doesn't exist, just that it cannot freely expressed.

i reckon someone will take a pot shot [hopefully] at trump and that will be the end of it, cia will be tracking me now for even thinking that let alone writing it

Sooner or later Trump will be impeached - let's hope. His business and family interests will never be distanced from his public duty and he will do something corrupt and get caught. He will trip over his arrogance (or maybe his bizarrely long tie) and make a gaff nobody can defend. Worse case scenario is we are dragged into a war situation and we have no political or military allies we can actually trust to stand shoulder to shoulder with. Right now if we don't stand up and be counted for Muslim's freedom to travel, we will be aligned to his vile policies. Can you imagine if all Catholics or Catholic majority countries were banned from entry to the USA because the IRA were terrorists?

The trouble with Trump being impeached is that that leaves us with Pence. OK, he's not quite as insane, but he has some horrible opinions.

I really have an issue with the kind of anti-PC idiot who says "You can't say that" - I often riposte "But you just did". The reality is when they say this, what they actually mean is "You can't say this without someone challenging you/asking you to justify it." What they want is tacit or noisy agreement with their warped views.

The internet and social media has indeed allowed this kind of person a greater stage to distribute their pig ignorance and prejudice.

I think you are going to see a rise of both right and left extremists in Europe. Right wing in the richer countries that think supporting the Euro is costing them dear and left wing in the poorer nations that think being in the Euro is costing them.

No one knows what is going to happen. Pointless speculating.

People were obviously so unhappy under Obama that they voted in fucking Trump. Don't get me wrong, I love Barack Obama and think he is great, but you can't get away from the fact that he must have had something to do with Trump getting elected?

Most of them elected Trump because Hilary had a vagina. Is it Obamas fault that Trump has a penis and Hilary doesn't? Because that is why a huge number of people would not vote for her, whether they admitted it or not.

Trump won't be impeached - as the Merkins say "Do the math". Although is possible that the House of Representatives may indict him, it's extremely unlikely as the Republicans have a majority in the Lower House. Even if they do indict him, they will need 67 Senators in the Senate to successfully impeach him. The Democrats can rely on 48 votes. They would need 10 Republican senators out of 52 (just under 20% of the whole Republican caucus) to vote with them, which is simply not going to happen.

"Trump is already quite unintentionally mobilising people by pissing them off in ways they haven't been pissed off in decades."

Pretty sure that happened November 2 when he was elected.

For those who are claiming Pres. Trump is breaking laws and such, did you protest as much when Pres. Obama told our entire nation in his state of the union address if congress didn't pass laws he wanted that he would just go his on course anyway? Pres. Trump is undoing what Pres. Obama did the exact SAME way Pres. Obama did them. Is it only wrong when you don't agree with it?

"Most of them elected Trump because Hilary had a vagina. Is it Obamas fault that Trump has a penis and Hilary doesn't? Because that is why a huge number of people would not vote for her, whether they admitted it or not."

That is a very sexist statement to make. Did you take a poll to determine that the millions of American's who voted for Trump thought that way?

Is it really inconceivable that the Republicans would vote to impeach Trump? After all, they managed at least the early stages with Nixon, and he resigned at least partly because he recognised that there was a substantial likelihood that they would go all the way. There are plenty of Republicans who really didn't want Trump as their candidate and who don't like what's happening now. They also have to think about the potential long-term damage to the party.

Mummymeister. With you on this one. I think Brexit happened because people were constantly being told they were racist, isolationist, anti this anti that. The luvvies and the BBC were and still are loud and vociferous about anyone who didn't agree with their view. But they don't live in the real world and neither do the middle classes (that's me by the way). We live in a bubble. We don't get on public transport. We don't work in low paid jobs, we don't have to sweat for our pay. When people see the wayTHEIR money is being wasted by the EU, Government etc and are constantly being told you must think this you must think that, at some point it's going to pop.
I agree with Brexit, I agree with same sex marriages, I agree with restricting immigration, I agree with welcoming immigrants who can contribute to our society coming to live and work along side me. I agree with a woman's right to do what she want's with her body. I agree with banning religious schools (all of them).

Left and right, most people are a mixture depending on their personal circumstances. The way the extreme 'left' has screamed and shouted in rage against those that don't support everything they do is abhorrent to watch. Where were/are the protests against the banning of Israeli travellers, where were the protests when Obama banned anyone from Iran going to the USA. People pick and chose who are the good and bad guys to suit their Agenda.

I don't think anything bad is going to happen. People need to calm down and listen to different voices and their concerns for a change. These things are happening for a reason and yes, things do go in cycles. I don't believe we are moving back to the world of the fascists but it's a good line if you want to frighten people into doing what you want them to do isn't it 😃

The huffington post had an interesting article yesterday (irritatingly can't now find link!) suggesting that we enter a destruction cycle in human history every 50-100 years and we are due one... it also suggested that the immigration ban is a deliberate foil in the consolidation of power. Deliver on election pledge, but including green card holders and children means outrage fatigue, so when a watered down version sticks it will look by comparison more acceptable to the opposition. It will also flush out those who will oppose the executive and who will turn a blind eye therefore pushing to see just how effective those checks and balances on executive power are. Not a pleasant notion...