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To remind you all... (MIL related)

220 replies

yoowhoo · 27/12/2016 09:12

If you have a son or daughter, they may get married in the future and that will then make you a MIL...?
Don't get me wrong, some of the MIL threads I do sympathise but I'm getting really sad to see every other thread being a MIL bashing. In particular it's when poor MIL is mother to a son. I just think we all need to step back a bit and think we may be one one day!

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SundialShadow · 29/12/2016 04:07

See? How are these women supposed to know what the fuck to do?

Ermmmm.... ask. I always ask the parents of a busy (or seemingly not) household "where do you want me" As a tactic for getting along with people, it works.

MagicChicken · 29/12/2016 04:30

Exactly Sun and I did say upthread that the key is good communication but it needs to be done intelligently, not in a confrontational way. But for some reason some MILs/DILs get caught up in this ridiculous cycle of each expecting the other to read their minds or sulking because someone didn't pick up on their passive aggressive cues.

Babybeesmama · 29/12/2016 08:50

I can see where you're coming from here! I am lucky that I get on very well with MIL & FIL even tho at times they drive me bonkers... but equally my own parents have their quirks! I imagine when my time comes to be a MIL I'll probably be awful 😆

mumto2two · 29/12/2016 09:13

Could not agree more Sun. The two examples shared by Magic, do not reflect anything other than two individual scenarios, where there is clearly a vast chasm of misunderstanding. However, not all scenarios are as simply solved in this way. Some people (my MIL included) are pig headed and are affronted by direct communication.
When my MIL first met me and my dd1, she completely ignored my polite decline of an extended stay for a day trip somewhere.. I had work the next day and needed to get ready for school next day homework/uniforms etc..Oh nonsense she declared..dd1 you would like to go wouldn't you..and went and booked it anyway..
That is what she does with EVERYTHING..manipulates her grown up children..DH..our kids..and tries to manipulate me. And when she thought she could book another extended 2 month stay in our cramped house without asking, having told her before it wasn't acceptable to arrange visits without asking, I put my foot down and DH said no. She started crying and had FIL ring DH to tell him off for hurting his mother.. and ten years on it still continues. So how would you deal with that kind of scenario magic??
Are we supposed to suck it up just to please her?? Or act like the independent middle aged adults we already are?

mumto2two · 29/12/2016 09:22

And yes..re the helping out comments. She books these visits.. it is always with the 'help you out caveat'...well I don't need her help..or anyone else's for that matter. If I did, I would ask. And as it happens, her help only ever extends to causing more work and inconvenience..pushing your presence on someone is a selfish ploy..they can dress it up however they want..but it's really all about them.

yoowhoo · 29/12/2016 09:30

kerala why is it a devastating insight that you may become a MIL? Is it that you don't want your children to grow up and get married?
And I don't appreciate throwing age around. I do not consider myself 'very young' and have already stated my age bracket (if you read the full thread!)

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MistresssIggi · 29/12/2016 09:43

Kerala was being sarcastic about the total lack of shock involved in realising that a mother of children may one day be a mother in law.
I rub along with my mil and we do not argue, and I do not moan about her on here. But she has spent Christmas with us without a thank you, and has told me that I do not deserve any time to myself as I chose to have children (this does not apply at all to her son of course) and these are things I put up with only because she is important to my dh and dcs. I am already accepting behaviour I would not in a friend, so threads like saying saying it's all in our heads/a prejudice against dh's family/6 of one and half a dozen of the other - I don't think that's true.

DinosaursRoar · 29/12/2016 10:01

I think the whole "do I do the washing up or not?!" angst as if that's a normal issue for people with decent boundaries to worry about... Really, if you are in someone else's house, isn't it normal to ask "is there anything I can do to help?" not just taking it upon yourself to do the washing up and treating them like a child? If someone has a messy house, politeness would be not to draw attention to it yourself, but to ask generally what you can do to be helpful.

Sadly, housework, running the home and looking after DCs does normally fall to woman in most families, so if as MIL you breeze in and act like it's your job, then of course it's going to come across as stepping on your DIL's toes - and if you don't have a DIL, you shouldn't be doing that for your adult DS anyway.

Treat your adult DC as adults, not children.

Treat their homes as their homes, (and respect it as you would any other person of your aquaintance) not an extention of your own home.

Remember that your DGC are someone else's children, not yours - they are closely related to you, but not your responsibility/job. You defer on all child raising decisions to the primary carer, who in most families is the mother. Don't go behind her back to try to prove her wrong and 'win'.

Basically, don't be a dick. You might get away with dickish behaviour with your own child, but your DIL (or even SIL) is not going to stand for it as.

Krampus · 29/12/2016 10:26

I don't find reading a few threads from people with problems at oposite sides of the spectrum confusing. Even less so when for some of them it may be 6 of one, others all mil, others all dil and many where is the son in all this? I read them and commiserate, laugh, or aed to my mental list of ways not to behave. Like I would for any other type of thread.

Completely agree with Dinosaur, try to limit your own dickish behaviour. I don't know if my sons will end up in long term relationships and if that may be with women or boys or both. I have no idea what their partners may be like. All I an do is to raise them to be considerate, do their fair share and respect others.

The one thing I can do to ensure I have a shit relationship with any future dil is to; start sniffing now about loosing boys when they get married and getting worked up about the dynamics of a relationship because they are female, therefore they must be tricky. A future adult who currently plays no part in any of our lives. Would that show I was a bit too clingy over my kids futures and make me more likely to be the mil from hell Xmas Grin

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 29/12/2016 10:30

I think one issue (that I have with both DM, DF and DMIL) is that they can forget you're no longer a teenager and so they try to maintain a relationship on an adult-child basis rather than as a relationship of equals.

I had this fight with my parents in my early 20s when they'd inform me I was to come for dinner at 5.30pm completely ignoring the fact that I worked 2 hours away until 5pm! Having PIL who still believes they're in charge of adult children means you have to go through the same readjustments, but this time you're more likely to catch the flack as the outsider (which can be exacerbated by cowardly OHs who like to blame new girlfriends/wives for change rather than having a straightforward conversation)

MrsLion · 31/12/2016 02:06

Dino and mum2 have hit the nail on the head.

Being a decent Mil in my opinion is actually very simple. You treat your dil as you would a close adult friend and most importantly: an equal.

E.g
Would you accept an invite to coffee with a friend and then open the oven, have a look in and start cleaning it?

Would it be acceptable to tell a friend how they should be spending their bank holidays and then get cross with them if you don't like their plans and sulk if they don't change them to suit you?

Would you phone your friend's husband repeatedly to tell him his wife is undermining and ungrateful if she politely listenened to but didn't act on advice she didn't actually ask for in the first place?

No.
So don't do it to your dil.

Mils are not excused from behaving like utter dicks just because they are insecure of their new status in the family and jealous of their dil.

KERALA1 · 31/12/2016 07:52

Mrslion has it. "You are my son I can treat you how I want" my mil has said. Disastrous approach. Treat your adult children as you would treat a friend. It's not hard. Mil doesn't have any friends so guess that theory is a challenge for her.

BertrandRussell · 31/12/2016 08:02

"Mils are not excused from behaving like utter dicks just because they are insecure of their new status in the family and jealous of their dil"

No they aren't.

But that goes both ways.

mumto2two · 31/12/2016 09:13

Indeed. But it has to be said that all the DIL friends I know, myself included, have embarked on their relationships with their mils, with every good warm hearted intention.
I look back on my naievity and feel quite sad. How I embraced her presence in my life with such positivity, only to have it thwarted and twisted by years of narcissistic dominance. And yes, she thought she could treat us like that, because she was his mother. She was in command. She came into my life when I was a woman approaching 40 already with my own home & family, and thought she could treat me like a kid, ignoring every polite request or refusal on something she thought I should or should not do. Even referring to herself as my Mother! I lost my dear mother many years ago, so straight away that never felt right. And now as a 'young but mature' Wink woman approaching 50, she still behaves this way. The first time I looked at a forum like this, I was shocked, but relieved to realise I was not the only one.

KERALA1 · 31/12/2016 09:19

My sisters and the majority of my friends have great relationships with their mils. My sister would go to stay with in laws even when her Dh was working. I look at my mothers friends would love to have any of them as my mil. I have serious mil envy

mumto2two · 31/12/2016 09:49

I agree Kerala, I too am envious of the lovely mils out there. The ones who treat their dils as equals..adults..or indeed a friend.
From an animal perspective, As females, our home is our territory, the nest is a primal place. Our young are ours to nurture and wo betide any unwanted intrusion!
What do you think would happen if another female bird swooped in on the mother birds nest and tried to warm her chicks..or a grandma elephant wades in on some young calf shortly after it is born? You get the picture. Yes we are human beings and our superior mentality is supposed to be able to deal with all that, but it is still very much innate, and the best relationships are based on those who acknowledge and respect their son's home and wife and family as very much their own.

Dayatatime · 31/12/2016 09:57

I'm actually very sad not to have a better relationship with the mil. Love my FIL and got in well with previous mothers of BF. Unfortunately the only relationship my mil is capable of having is with the bottle. The pain this causes so many people inc my DH means I can never like my mil. It's a shame but it is what it is

Unicorn1981 · 31/12/2016 11:20

When your mil seems to make it her mission to be a hurtful cow and refuses to see her 3yo gd because she said hurtful things to me but sees plenty of her daughter's boy then its hard not to do mil bashing. Before that she was ok just midly irritating but I got on ok with her. This is a really upsetting subject for me atm tbh.

gotthemoononastick · 31/12/2016 11:46

LOL at sundialshadow.

How the heck did you stray and mate with such a different species from your own though?How did you not see this difference before wandering up the daisy aisle?

38cody · 31/12/2016 16:31

Yes YABU to think that we need you to tell us that.

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