To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

[jdoe8]

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

No going back.
We are just going to have to re invent ourselves...

If there is a re-vote then before any campaigning can be done both sides should have to swear in court to each campaign point. And that any further arguments will also be be sworn to in court before being used.

Then maybe we would get two honest campaigns. Although I'd quite enjoy watching them get three years for perjury so Win Win.

Did the op not hear how Europe is close to a financial implosion. Deutschebank is going to collapse if Merkel doesn't bail it out in an election year.

I can't see any possible way out of leaving the E.U at present, I wish I could. I think a lot people are really clueless about what they have done. I can't see a sensible way out of the mess we are heading into so we are working for moving away at least for three years maybe permanently. We have lived abroad before so we know what we are signing up for. We are far from being the only people I know planning on leaving during next year.

Working at not for!

I suspect that like Turkey's joining the EU, the UK's leaving will be on the way but will never happen.
Those who voted voted on one question and it was nothing to do with immigration. People may have had immigration in mind but they might not have done and it is pointless to speculate.
That question was an expression of opinion, not the creation of a legal obligation on the government. That was made clear in the briefing paper to MPs issued at the start of the process but NOT ONE of them in the three readings of the bill proposed an amendment to make it binding. Using the principles of statutory construction, one can only conclude that they chose to leave it as a purely advisory vote.
Now as those who voted to Brexit were particularly keen to return powers of law making to the UK parliament, I struggle to understand why they are now proposing the wholesale subversion of that institution. We either have the Rule of Law or we do not. For the moment at least, we appear still to have it. So parliament must ensure that whatever happens next it is in the best interests of the UK, which might entirely properly and in accordance with the principles and conventions of parliamentary sovereignty include ignoring the outcome of the referendum.

People were sold a pack of lies. People were just lied to and sold fairy stories about the NHS. They were promised things that are never going to happen. The whole thing was a sham based on individual agendas with little regard for the public.

We need to be presented with the full facts and an accurate plan - not scaremongering or point scoring or political agendas. Just a full on honest cards on the table, this is what we are planning so make your mind up.

I voted based partly on concerns re immigration levels and if nothing else comes of Brexit than the ability to control who enters the country then I consider that a job well done.

Leave.

The country has chosen, the people have spoken and the government are happy with it. It's happening. If you are a Leaver and thoroughly enjoying the sinking ship, have at it. If not... go.

We've set the wheels in motion for emigration to an EU country. DH's work can transfer, we've got the funds, we're gathering the paperwork. I can't see any other way out, frankly.

Even if it was all erased tomorrow, we now know what the slim majority of people in this country think. Even under the banking articles the comments are dimwitted "ha ha bye bankers what u ever do for us anyway" and "ha ha we can live in their houses now lol". Anti-intellectualism. Anti-critical thinking. Support for grammar schools. Support for benefit cuts and persistent demonisation of the poor.

We'd been talking about it for a few months as some overseas opportunities had arisen and this was the nail in the coffin. I clearly don't belong here. I have UKIP members for parents who spit xenophobic bile about 'forriners breeding' and use all those terms were thought had fallen out of favour in the 70s. I live in an area that thrives on EU funding its regeneration, which we can now kiss goodbye to, because it isn't London and they won't give us a bean.

If you can go, go. If you can't, I don't know really - try and close your eyes and ears and pretend you don't live in a backwards society.

A re-vote would make a mockery of the democratic process.

Sucks if you don't like the result, but that's life.

could you write to your mp about the governments attitude to city mayors all brexiters please. now the government is so keen to bow to 'the will of the people as revealed via votes'

I also don't understand the fear mongering. There are only 20-something nation states in the EU. There are a couple hundred not in the EU. They all seem to be faring fine, and they have banks.

Oh, and car manufacturers moving has nothing to do with Brexit. They will outsource or move if it's more cost effective for them. The UK is an expensive place to manufacture when compared with somewhere like Poland, South Korea, South Africa, Japan etc. At least half of German-branded cars are made outside of Germany now, so the EU has nothing to do with it.

Holden and Ford are shutting down operations in Australia now, and, last I checked, Australia was not even remotely involved in the EU or Brexit. It's just not profitable to manufacture cars in a country like Australia. Our wages are too high, costs of importing products too high, warehousing and plant costs too high etc.

If the referendum had been based on truths, then ignoring it would be undemocratic, but it was not. People who voted leave were led to believe there would be more money for the NHS, single market access without freedom of work and movement, Turkey joining the EU imminently, etc. All lies. On that basis I truly believe we need to have a rethink. 48% of people definitely didn't want to leave the EU, 52% of people had a myriad of different reasons for voting out and there's no way on earth all those reasons can be met. I think we need to fight this. If we lose the fight and we Hard Brexit I will (with a heavy heart) seek to leave the UK - although as I will have had my freedom of work and movement ripped away from me, this could be a little tricky.

I am still desperately clinging to the hope that our democratically elected Parliament might be able to put a stop to this fucking madness.

There are a couple hundred not in the EU. They all seem to be faring fine,

All?????

I voted remain

More people voted to leave

A lot of people made the choice not to vote if they had bothered (and of May have planned to but couldn't on the day) the result may have been different

But challenging democracy will not necessarily get people on the side of voting against what was voted for before

yesterday sunshine - I understand concerns with uncontrolled immigration, but remember we have always had control over non-EU immigration and our governments have failed to get a handle on it. As for EU immigration - that is a two-way street and many Brits have enjoyed the freedom of being able to live and work in other EU countries. Many of those very people are now living in a state of constant uncertainty as they had no say over a decision that directly impacts on them - I don't see that as very democratic.

I voted based partly on concerns re immigration levels and if nothing else comes of Brexit than the ability to control who enters the country then I consider that a job well done.

Im still not sure how people think leaving the EU is going to help immigration? Unless you are happy with an end to freedom of movement and the single market?

Basically if we carry on with Brexit, the pound will stay weak and if we hard brexit, companies will leave in their droves - lots of people will lose their jobs, tax receipts will fall, public services won't get enough money, we'll lose our edge in scientific research - the top researchers will go elsewhere, we'll lose our finance sector (I know bankers aren't popular, but they contribute a hell of a lot of tax), we'll all be poorer, our children will have fewer opportunities ... and to top it all off, they won't be able to easily look for better chances abroad, because their freedom to do so will have been taken away from them. Do we really want this? And what do we gain - having no hardworking EU people coming here ... is that what all this is for? Is it really worth it? We'll most likely need to increase immigration from elsewhere to compensate, so in effect there will be zero gain. If someone can explain to me what we will gain from Brexit, I would be happy to hear it - I'm desperate for some good news because it all looks pretty bleak to me.

There can't be a revote. Decision made. Even though it's a badly handled referendum (which is just my opinion - even before the vote result - for a country that isn't used to referendums it needed to be handled and the effect of each individual vote emphasised)

I see the Ireland has been mentioned a few times, that they simple revote if what was wanted (but look at by whom? Well it's not just the losing side). Plus I can't think of one that's been voted for a change that's been revisited (In other words if Brexit had gone with remain, it might be voted on again but because was leave, this is a change so no revote). I may be wrong here but I can't think of a referendum in Ireland which went for the change it side and got a revote)

The biggest and most important difference in referendums in Ireland and Britain, in my mind, is that there's a referendum commission in Ireland and none in Britain (and see above about Britain being a county unused to referendums).

The lack of a referendum commission was a massive, MASSIVE, mistake. From those voters I've spoken to there was so little understanding of the overall effect (both ways). There can be one lies told with a commission either (from them, still get bollocks from either side) so each household would have been supplied with fact of the possible effects.

Sure, but only if we can rerun the general election every time the Lib Dems don't win. It's democracy. You don't always get what you voted for. I voted remain BTW. We are where we are as a nation and we have to make the best of it, not whinge on about it all being horrible and unfair

Have our children's ability to look for opportunities abroad really been affected that much? I suggest for all those who work elsewhere in the EU, probably five times that number work in the US, the Middle and/or Far East.

I don't recall seeing the word 'advisory' on my ballot paper...

Sorry but we (I anyway) will keep on whinging about it. Because I will never agree that leaving the EU is a good idea. There will always be opposition to a political party, to a government. We have every right to talk about the issues that leaving the EU will cause. You can't shut us up.