To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

[jdoe8]

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

[user1471448556]

This can't be compared to a general election MrHannahSnell. This is not reversible in 5 years - we are stuck with it. If it is not in our country's best interests to Brexit given what we now know about the 'deal' (no access to single market without freedom of work and movement), then we shouldn't proceed. The referendum was advisory - it's a shame this was not communicated clearly to the population. If it had been binding, the government would have been forced to specify a minimum turnout and a threshold (usually 60%) for a major constitutional change (which this undoubtedly is). Basically the whole thing is a shambles and if we don't stop this, our children's futures will be negatively impacted. Even if we manage to stop it, so much damage has already been done. We are not viewed positively by other countries anymore - we're seen as racist and insular. The pound is weak - prices of food and fuel will rise. Holidays abroad will be unaffordable to more people. All pretty miserable. I understand some people voted leave, but they were lied to and they need to wake up to this.

[RufusTheSpartacusReindeer]

he relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.

There were probably lots of words missing firm the ballot paper

[MarciaBlaine]

I too am having sleepless nights over it, after spending my working life in several eu countries. I am worried about my pension, worried where I will have the right to live, worried about my children's education. There is no getting a GRIP. This is RL fucking stuff and how dare anyone say otherwise!

[MarciaBlaine]

RealityCheque, that was in reply to you. Hope you are nice and comfy In a job unaffected by any of this.

[Dragongirl10]

OP if you truly want a re-vote you should NOT be even living in a democratic country. This is the way Britain is governed.

I have never heard anything so ridiculous.

[PetalMettle]

The reason manufacturers are based here despite the fact labour costs etc are higher is that it helps to have a European base/access to the single market. If Nissan et al pull out i bet they will still maintain a European base.
The fundamental issue is this desire to give London a bloody nose, despite the fact that bankers etc pay a lot of tax. That was seen as more important than any potential issues arising out of brexit, partially because there was a lack of understanding of how much worse it's going to get. Instead it was "we've had it tough, lets piss them off".

[Pluto30]

Isit Ok, not all, but there are many developed countries not in the EU who are faring better than countries in the EU.

Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, hell, even the US.

[LurkingHusband]

A democracy which cannot change it's mind has ceased to be a democracy

David Davis

[AgedRelative]

I'm a remainer. I was devastated when the brexiters won. I hate what it says about our country. I applied for the Irish passports which my children and I have a right to.

But, the electorate of this country however misinformed, however deeply I disagree with it, voted to level the EU. We are a democracy and I cannot see how a decision by the government to stay would bring our fractured country together. We must exit. We must do it as well as possible.

[PetalMettle]

I think it's different comparing countries that have had decades to set up trade deals (in norways case one which would be equivalent of soft brexit)

[MrHannahSnell]

Whichever way you look at it and no matter how you dress it up, the plain fact is that we (I mean the remain voters) lost a properly conducted, democratic referendum. Whinging on about it (I can use no other term) is neither dignified nor constructive. If you want to reverse the decision, then your only option I'd to work for the UK to re-join at some time in the future. All talk of fresh votes or constitutional challenges is so much hogwash.

[MrHannahSnell]

Aged I couldn't agree more.

[MrHannahSnell]

user we know nothing about the deal. All we have are some speeches and leaks from various parties. No doubt these are all intended to prepare the ground, but the are only statements of intent.

[JellyBabiesSaveLives]

No, no revote. We need parliament to step up, see that brexit isn't in our best interests and stop it. Because this is the way Britain is governed - a representative democracy. Really we need a general election with parties either standing for brexit or not. And then the winner could ignore their election promises and do what the heck they liked, because this, too, is how Britain is governed...

[Knittedfrog]

Absolutely agree with user.

[MrHannahSnell]

We can't have a general election until 2020 unless the Govt. looses a vote of confidence and I don't see that happening.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

I would agree with another election and parties to go forward with Brexit or reject it

But I do not think any party would do that Labour won't and neither would the Tories

[user1471448556]

Aged - I envy you your Irish passport. I may feel more relaxed about the whole thing if I had one in my possession. MrHannahSnell - it was not properly conducted because it was, in legal terms, advisory - but this was not communicated to the general population, and had it been binding we would have had a minimum of 60%. It was also not clear - we were given a simple binary choice, but with no clarity as to what 'no' meant - and as you say, we still don't actually know, ... but when we do I would like us to be given the chance to decide whether we want this deal or not.

[Mrskeats]

Lying to the people is not democracy and never could be.
As if the NHS are ever going to see and extra 350 million a week.
Wake up. The public were lied to by politicians and this was backed up by the right wing press.
I can't believe someone said it will all blow over. Unbelievably naive

[winkywinkola]

No more referendums ever.

They are disastrous.

The U.K. is facing dark times and those will become the norm.

And Brexit won't be blamed ever for the economic peril we now face.

We are all worried. No amount of confident talking will solve the problems our country now has to deal with.

You may have thought it was shit being part of the EU but it's going to be a lot more shit being on the outside.

But no more referendums on this type of thing. Leave it to General Elections and party manifestos.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

No one ever said they would spend £350m on the nhs. They said they could. Typical politicians speak.. I don't feel lied to as a leave voter.

[fakenamefornow]

I don't agree with aged

I agree with this bloke.

www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brexit-democratic-failure-for-uk-by-kenneth-rogoff-2016-06?barrier=true

I really don't get this idea that we must leave no matter what and imo the even more ridiculous idea that we must not have a another referendum incase people have changed their mind about leaving. What do people think about a GE before A50? Would that be 'undemocratic' as well?

[RufusTheSpartacusReindeer]

fake

Because its undemocratic and treasonous and very, very naughty

[AlpacaLypse]

I don't mind having a vote on the full terms and conditions of our Brexit treaty, when they finally get round to it. Which will take for ever, since we're talking about not just the EU bureaucracy here but the UK one too.... So not just our own Sir Humphreys, but a whole mob of French and German Sir Humphreys as well!

Pragmatically speaking, I know we'll never be rid of the Sir Humphreys and the pigs in the trough mentality that goes with a professional political ruling class. But I would rather it be a professional ruling class that I have a faint hope of voting out.