To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

[jdoe8]

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

I don't think their should be another referendum as I believe it would create even more division within our country. I think that all of our efforts should now be on finding a way to stop the feelings and language of division and anti-immigrants that is unfortunately gaining momentum at the moment.

I think that the economic problems this country is facing are not as serious as the social impact of the Brexit vote, of more and more anti-immigrant and anti-refugee sentiment. To me, this is the real issue at the moment.

YANBU. A general election is held once every 5 years, so the electorate sooner or later has a chance to change their minds.

The Brexit debate was sullied by the lies of the leave camp. A falling pound, inflation about to rise, and a loss of £60bn to the exchequer in lost taxes - £10bn of which is when the banks leave.

Now Farage etc are staying curiously silent about the £350m a week to the NHS. The loss to the exchequer is over £1,000m a week. Who will now suffer? How about pensioners, when the triple lock is ditched? How about the good people of Sunderland, who voted to leave, when Nissan pulls out?

Make no mistake, this will be a hard Brexit whether we want it or not. The mood in Europe is not to make this easy for us.

The referendum was never binding. The Brexiters wanted a sovereign parliament. Time for parliament to demonstrate that's exactly what they've got, and block article 50.

Never has a country committed such an act of economic suicide.

The referendum should never have happened; but it has and the vote has been taken. We can't have re-votes when people do not like the result - which people should have a say over a re-vote?

Democracy does not work like that.

For a long time we have had a government that I did not vote for - but that is just tough on me.

You cannot do a Donald Trump and refuse to recognise the result of an election, even if you do not like it.

Thanks that's what I mean. The Irish and the Danish had second votes, when they voted against their own interests so its not unheard of.

JDoe - why should the second referendum result be acted on more than the first? Serious question.

Regarding hate crime, the horrors who commit this, did not just suddenly appear.
If the outcome was remain, these people would not have suddenly become reasonable. They will have used the remain vote as an excuse to commit race hate crimes.
A horrible section of society who will torment others with any so called excuse.

what would be great is if we could apply.this 'the voter has spoken' attitude to democracy more widely.
as it is we get
voted against fracking? tough shit
dont want an elected mayor? tough shit

Christ you'd think we had a nuke pointed at us!

It is happening. I don't understand this self delusion.

Humans adapt. We are very good at it. The country is hardly about to collapse and I'm fairly sure we can get through this.

You can do it kicking, screaming and looking like an arse or you can get on with it. I expect many will keep kicking and screaming for some time though but those are your only two options.

Brexit was a stitch up. Why shouldn't there be another referendum or general election. You can bet Farage wouldn't have given up if he'd lost, why should remainer stop campaigning? The SNP lost and they're still going on about another referendum.

They say the people spoke on the Brexit vote but the campaigns were bullshit with so many lies I don't think the vote was valid.

I'd rather our democratically elected politicians took it as an advisory referendum and voted in the best interests of the U.K., to keep us in

I would rather they did too, but some of them seem far too wishy washy and are seeing an advisory referendum as apparently legally binding.

Labour seem to be getting their act together a bit more with demanding the Parliamentary votes that May was so reluctant to give, though it seemingly took Ed Milliband taking the initiative from the back benches. On that he seemed to have a lot of cross-party support. Corbyn did nothing, yet he is supposed to be the Leader of the Opposition.

Well I suspect if we'd had the result the other way then the Brexiters would have been calling for another vote.
So maybe this would be fair. lets make it best of three.

I wish they would stop it. I'm seeing pretty big consequences round here.

Well I suspect if we'd had the result the other way then the Brexiters would have been calling for another vote.

People who are incapable of seeing another's point of view, with fervently held ideals and the stubbornness to not let go of them voted on BOTH sides of the reforendum.

That is all we are seeing. It would have happened either way.

That doesn't mean you listen to them and ignore democracy.

I don't think the SNP will accept an independence referendum result until they get the outcome they want.

Referendums cost a fortune to run, and if we keep having them on the same issue it would become a farce.

Politicians often lie (most of them anyway). If results became invalid because of politicians lying we would be in chaos.
I choose to have some faith in a select few politicians but ignore most of them. In any election you have to weigh up various arguments and make a choice (even choosing not to vote is a choice).
Any election is a risk. It's not ideal here but I am still thankful to live in a country that (generally) recognises democracy.

Yeah, I don't see it as inconceivable that both milliband and Osborne have future careers

It'll blow over?!

This is such a bizarre way of thinking to me I'm afraid. The impact of Brexit will be with us for decades. Trade deals don't just get done in a matter of months. The huge impact on legislation alone will take years to resolve and the involvement of hundred of experts and lawyers. I fear our Employment rights will be one of the first to take a hit.

Financial services are making plans to leave before article 50 is triggered. They are responsible for 20% of the UK's tax receipts. Our new trade deals (that we don't have) won't make that deficit up so there's only one way to deal with that deficit and that is either increase tax or make further cuts. Who will that be hurting the most?

And I'm afraid the 'hate crime will have happened anyway' doesn't wash with me. Those who were so inclined before the vote very clearly think they have the support of the 52% (I appreciate that's not the case but those who partake in hate crimes probably don't have the capacity to think like most intelligent people do). As a consequence, hate crimes are increasing because people feel their attitudes have been validated.

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I voted remain but wouldn't bleat on about another vote just because it didn't go my way.

I do truly believe that if an individual is vile enough to commit a hate crime - they will.
These people will do it under any so called excuse.

So the massive increase in hate crimes post Brexit is just a coincidence?

I work in a bank, and let me tell you the truth: they complain and threathen, but have already accepted the results, and made provision for it.

Sure they have, but mostly that provision involves looking after themselves and moving out of the UK, which isn't in our interests.

I don't think it's a coincidence, but I do believe they would carry out the crimes regardless.
The build up of debates on immigration issues will have influenced these people either way.
Vote leave - commit a hate crime as you are not wanted here
Vote remain - commit a hate crime as I don't believe you should be here.
There is no reasoning with them.

I will not choose how to vote at any election or referendum - because of how lawless others may or may not react.
That is not my responsibility and it does not contribute to democracy.

I am thankful to live in a society where hate crime is illegal. We can report it, and with evidence these people can be prosecuted.

Ideally, these people would not exist but sadly they do.

I think a lot of people have their heads on the sand as to just how bad the outcome is going to be.
But hey, as long as it's democratic that we commit mass economic suicide....

The referendum was never binding. The Brexiters wanted a sovereign parliament. Time for parliament to demonstrate that's exactly what they've got, and block article 50

That sums it up very neatly. Parliament could do this and should be given the opportunity. It should certainly get to vote on all of the major developments.

Theresa May has been reluctant to go down that route, apparently having forgotten that we have a Parliamentary Democracy in this country. She seems to have back-tracked for now, but we have to hope it will be enough.

I must admit I was never that impressed with Theresa May. She may have been the best of a bad lot, but she is coming across (to me anyway) as heavy on rhetoric, such as the meaningless "Brexit means Brexit" crap, but light on substance.

Nobody has a clue what Brexit should look like. Making it up as we go along springs to mind and it is all madness.

I'm not sure whether a second vote is a good idea or not. What I do know is that Brexit is going to destroy this country and needs to be stopped one way or another.

"But hey as long as its democratic that we commit economic suicide"

I'm afraid I agree with this (even if it's sarcastic)

We can't go back now unfortunately. All outcomes from here are diabolical.