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To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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jdoe8 · 23/10/2016 14:44

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

OP posts:
Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:44

Many many children will not get jobs, houses in this country let alone live and work in Europe because they are not so well-heeled. But so long as your children are fortunate that is all that matters it

^THIS

WrongTrouser · 25/10/2016 17:47

Valentine2
wrong
That's how rational your argument is. Good to see that

It was a, probably misjudged, attempt at humour rather than an argument 🙂

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 17:52

Valentine,

1/ If the Euro falls apart, so does the EC. Can you really imagine all the countries reverting to their pre Euro currencies but the EC ship sailing on serenely? Really, that is not going to happen. The euro goes, and it will, and the EC goes (or at least the south falls off a cliff and maybe the northern rump remains).

2/ A quick google of youth unemployment in Greece, Italy or Spain will confirm my numbers. 'Worrying' but clearly, for you, kind of irrelevant. How does it affect the UK? Well, I guess that if you are totally selfish and think that we should only consider ourselves, I guess it does not. Personally I am not sure of joining a club where some members get to bully others.

3/ We were given an exemption from bailing out Euroland countries, but this has not been tested, not is it guaranteed to last forever.

The younger generation may think that they are citizens of the World but not many of them are going to work in Poland or Estonia.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:53

wrong
Good to see we are humouring each other while the country goes tits up.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/10/2016 17:53

Mollie
those figures are based on a poll - and we all know how accurate they are ! on the voting slip for the referendum there was no box to tick for ethnicity, age, level of education, gender orientation

No, the figures aren't only based on polls - (most exit polls are quite accurate -- I think you are confusing them with predictive polls which aren't) they are based on a rigorous analysis on vote and area. Eg. 70% in Tendring - a very low-skilled, low wage area voted for Brexit, whereas highly skilled communities such as Cambridge voted remain.

Are you really disputing this? If so, why?

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:57

Personally I am not sure of joining a club where some members get to bully others.
How did EU bully us on youth employment? And you didn't give me any data saying that staying is more dangerous than leaving? What's your take on the money BoE has used to bail £? And the Nissan being paid our money to stay?

As for your third point, I think we have veto didn't we?
Again, no one was thinking EU was perfect but what's the point of leaving it if its far more dangerous to us than staying ?

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:59

larry
Sorry I should have said that I would absolutely gladly work in Poland / Estonia if it means I get my work done. And my last lab had a great number of polish scientists there.

RedDogsBeg · 25/10/2016 17:59

Valentine2 you posted/agreed with this at 1744:

*Many many children will not get jobs, houses in this country let alone live and work in Europe because they are not so well-heeled. But so long as your children are fortunate that is all that matters it

^THIS*

How very "I'm alright Jack" of you - as long as you and yours get what you want.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 18:03

reddogs
Confused I didn't agree with others children being smdoomed while mine get on fine. You got it wrong. I was endorsing the sarcasm.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 18:05

I will be back after few hours

RedDogsBeg · 25/10/2016 18:14

Endorsing what sarcasm? You posted your agreement with that point from your own perspective. You claim to be selfless and vote in the interests of others and for the greater good and yet in your next posts you show callous disregard for the huge numbers of unemployed youth across southern Europe who are unemployed through no fault of their own but are merely collateral damage of the great Euro/EU project.

I don't think you are quite the selfless, caring person you believe yourself to be.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 18:43

I think people have no idea quite how ugly a eurozone collapse would be. If we can at least have a safe distance between us and the EC when it happens, it will at least help us weather the inevitable recession (or depression).

And I really struggle to see why it won't happen.

smallfox2002 · 25/10/2016 18:52

Larry. A euro zone collapse would take us with it, in or out of the union, being out of it makes no difference. Especially as we are exempt from bailouts, and no this couldn't change in the future as it would have to be agreed by all member states and the UK would obviously block it.

Your point regarding youth employment also can only be changed by euro zone collapse which would undoubtedly lead to further and larger overall unemployment

The risks to this countries youth of leaving are more extensive and more likely than the possibility of euro zone collapse. However the impact of that on this country won't be.mitigated by being out of the EU.

So the question is Larry, as only one of your points was relevant to the UK leaving the euro and is erroneous because we are exempt, are you actually hoping for euro zone collapse and that leaving would bring this on?

The riskand probability the damage to the UK economy are far higher from leaving, than the risk and probability of euro zone collapse.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 25/10/2016 19:00

reddogs

I think you have misinterpreted what valentine said

InformalRoman · 25/10/2016 19:04

mollie123

It's a poll yes - but it was essentially an exit poll of over 12,000 people, and it's the best post-referendum information out there.

Just because you don't like the information it provides doesn't make it irrelevant.

And as a parent, as far as I'm concerned it's my responsibility to ensure that I give my children the best start I can - but apparently that's selfish? Do you not think that because the UK is already a bit shit that I would like them to have the opportunity to go somewhere better?

back to you too.

milliemolliemou · 25/10/2016 19:06

kirnm

Probably crosscomment but no one votes for a prime minister in the Tory party. He/she is elected by their MPs. In the Labour party it's now one member one vote, but that's still clearly not the whole electorate since you have to join the party to vote. So no one "elects" a PM. Teresa May's problem is that David Cameron deserted the ship after Brexit and someone had to take over. She could have called a general election (just as Gordon Brown could have done in the same position eg taking over mid-term) but she hasn't chosen to do so.

Peregrina · 25/10/2016 19:09

Taking the theme Europe has a diverse and different culture than us

may I set an essay question? Compare and contrast the cultural norms of the UK, China and either France or Germany.

Your essay must include but need not be limited to references to shared history and geography and linguistic similarities or differences.

Peregrina · 25/10/2016 19:15

He/she is elected by their MPs.
I believe it's also supposed to go to the members when they are down to two, but since Leasdom went and scuppered her own chances and had to withdraw, they were denied that chance.

RedDogsBeg · 25/10/2016 19:18

I think the failure of understanding is on Valentine2's part - (the piece quoted came from mollie123's post).

kirinm · 25/10/2016 19:27

Millie - yes I do appreciate that but it's rather ironic that we are lumbered with an MP that even the Tories didn't vote for, let alone the electorate.

frumpet · 25/10/2016 19:30

Larry tell me how ugly the Eurozone collapse will be, how you are sure it is going to happen and how it will effect the UK , I just want good old fashioned figures to back it up , it really isn't a lot to ask . When I bandage a patients legs , I explain the level of discomfort they might be expected to experience , but I also explain why that level of discomfort is of benefit to their long term health , I can give them facts and figures to back it up if they want them , research based and everything ! That is a few people a week that I look after and yet no-one on here or in the Goverment has been able to offer me the same level of information or reassurance and TBH that is all I am asking for .

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 19:52

But so long as your children are fortunate that is all that matters
The "your" in there is aimed at the people who thought their children will do fine.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 19:55

larry
I am also struggling to see how the collapse of euro zone is so real a possibility to you? That and the question that peregrina asked about cultural differences.

RedDogsBeg · 25/10/2016 20:01

The 'your' in that post is aimed at you and others like you whose children are fortunate enough to have the funds and education to access FOM across Europe which is what you want. The poster is making the point that you voted in the self interest of you and yours and disregarded the fact that those benefits and much else besides are not available to others.

InformalRoman · 25/10/2016 20:10

RedDogsBeg The whole point of FOM is that you don't need funds and education to travel. Those that do have funds and education will still be able to travel post-Brexit as they will be the ones that can get visas or work permits.

But hey ho, I'm sure there will be plenty of unskilled low wage positions available in the UK.