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To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

535 replies

jdoe8 · 23/10/2016 14:44

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

OP posts:
WrongTrouser · 25/10/2016 16:30

So do you know how my teenage children would have voted? Have you asked them or can you just intuit it? I have asked them so I know.

LurkingHusband · 25/10/2016 16:33

It's the country of World leading universities

for the wealthy.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 16:34

So do you know how my teenage children would have voted? Have you asked them or can you just intuit it? I have asked them so I know.
Please copy and paste the part of my post where I asked you about "your" children??? I was talking about the younger generation of uk overall. its you who twisted it and I called you out for it too. Please reply my questions where I asked for data proving leaving is the right thing to do compared to staying.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 16:36

lurking
You might have a point there sadly Sad

SallyMcgally · 25/10/2016 16:40

It's the country of World leading universities

for the wealthy

All the more reason to want to stay in the EU then, to allow our children free access to education in places like Holland/ Spain/ Ireland/ Germany etc, where you pay so little - often just a relatively small registration fee. In Holland they also have a really great system whereby students can live free in old peoples' homes in exchange for providing companionship for a few evenings a week. Some really lovely inter-generational friendships have been created like this.

WrongTrouser · 25/10/2016 16:42

Perhaps I have misunderstood you Valentine but I took

I can keep saying I love you my children and vote the other way around. What else is it? Been to the Relationships board of Mumsnet ever? It's one of the classic sign of a not so good/caring relationship although I am sure it was essentially unconscious on the part of all Leavers. All parents love their children but it should be visible in every action we take on their behalf too.

to be you saying that leave voters (which would include me as I voted leave) have voted against what they know to be the interests (and wishes) of their children and a sign of a not so good/caring relationship.

Have I misunderstood you?

In general I think it is not that helpful to talk in hugely generalised terms. Where I live a huge majority voted leave and that included many younger people.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 16:45

Science (STEM) is becoming more and more a collaborative field. It's not like the times when one or two or three persons were easily singled out for Nobel. When I was doing my PhD,there were whole groups in our building (majority in fact) where they hardly had any British researchers. We are ducked if this goes through. If May isn't giving money to NHS like she said, I don't think science will get it either. Loads of my colleagues are planning to leave. No money = no food/no mortgage/no life for them.

WrongTrouser · 25/10/2016 16:49

Informal so for you freedom for your children to work and study was an important factor in your decision on whether being in or put of the EU. For leave voters, presumably other factors affecting their children's future were more important.

InformalRoman · 25/10/2016 16:53

WrongTrouser Exactly, it doesn't make other people's personal reasons more or less valid though. Although, having said that, it wasn't the only reason I voted remain.

Fortunately, DH is Irish so we will hedge our bets anyway. They have all said they'll wave to me in the non EU passport holders queue as they sail through passport control and meet me in the bar.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 16:55

'larry

Hope you one back and answer my questions which I summarise here again:

  1. What laws do you think that the European court of justice made or stopped us from making that caused any kind of trouble to us? Please also compare the pros of those with the cons of leaving EU.
  1. Why do you think leaving EU is easier because the rest of the Europe has a diverse and different culture than us? Please again compare this with the cons of leaving EU.'

Valentine, thank you for setting me an essay assignment. What is the deadline and the penalty if it is late?

Entitled...not!!

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:02

larry
It's a discussion and I wish to see how you back your argument. What's entitled in it?

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:08

wrongtrouser
"In general I think it is not that helpful to talk in hugely generalised terms. Where I live a huge majority voted leave and that included many younger people."

Is it your area thats leaving EU only? I was talking about the younger generation of whole of UK because we are a country (so far anyway).
As for your point about children and their wishes, I think our nation has a right to vote as we like but if something looks bleak for our children and we blatantly ignore it, I am in no doubt they will hold us responsible. Rightly so too. Just like in every home around is. The scale is what makes it even more dangerous actually. So far, you have managed to avoid giving any data/facts and figures regarding how it is Goinng to be good for your and my children to not have access to EU like we have right now. And that was my first question to you.

WrongTrouser · 25/10/2016 17:09

larry

In your work, give examples from across the continent and reference your reading in 20th century history. Marks will be deducted if your conclusions are not

  1. None
  2. Oh my god, I was wrong, we should definitely stay in.
Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:14

wrong
That's how rational your argument is. Good to see that.

InformalRoman · 25/10/2016 17:14

According to the Lord Ashcroft poll link here, 73% of the 18-24s voted to remain and 62% of the 25-34s. And for parents, most of those with children aged 10 and under voted to remain, most of those with children aged 11 and over voted to leave.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:22

informal
Thanks for posting that. That was what I was talking about. These are the ones who will live the longest with the future consequences and are vulnerable more too because they are still working hard to et to their feet specially considering we haven't come out of recession yet properly. They said they don't want to leave. I am part of this group too by the way.

InformalRoman · 25/10/2016 17:24

I found the figure of 81% of those still in Higher Education voting to remain was interesting too.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 17:27

Valentine,

You are desperate to define stay/leave in the way you want. How about you answer these questions first:

1/ how sustainable is a single currency area without a single language, tax rate or culture?

2/ is 40+% youth employment across a swathe of the continent a price worth paying for the European dream?

3/ Do you feel that uk taxes should potentially be used for a bail out of the pigs if it comes to the crunch? Please reference this with realistic estimated costs (100s of billions or trillions).

smallfox2002 · 25/10/2016 17:29

Larry we are exempt from euro zone bailouts.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:29

informal
That makes perfect sense o me to be fair. The job market was so wobbly already. Europe with a generally good standard of living was at your door step. You also factor in the future plans for starting a family and all that and EU did look really good an option. My colleagues unanimously voted Remain as we know and are now seeing how major plans in our field are being scrapped and £ loosing its value every day. What I don't understand is these parents won't even think of making such a big decision in any other part of their life for children (rightly so too). But they went ahead with this one anyway. It's mind boggling

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 17:31

Small,

And that can never change, of course?

Thanks for answering my third question. Now how about having a go at the first two?

fakenamefornow · 25/10/2016 17:33

DH and I have been lucky enough to have lived and worked overseas, why would I vote for something that will deliberately limit my children's opportunities to do the same?

Completely agree. I know FOM for my children is actually quite trivial compared to the real problems of Brexit, the shrinking of my children's world makes me the most sad. Even little things like, maybe they will be real clubbers in their youth, they won't be able to just go to Ibiza and work the summer season in the clubs like we could.

mollie123 · 25/10/2016 17:35

informal

those figures are based on a poll - and we all know how accurate they are !
on the voting slip for the referendum there was no box to tick for ethnicity, age, level of education, gender orientation Angry . There was only a geographical constituency information from the electoral register.
yet this figure keeps being brought out to justify the selfish 'remainers' cry - I did it for my children who are being cheated of their future/opportunities - not selfish at all then.
Many many children will not get jobs, houses in this country let alone live and work in Europe because they are not so well-heeled. But so long as your children are fortunate that is all that matters it seems.

Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:41

larry

  1. I don't think we share currency with EU and I don't know of any plan that was on the table for that either. As for the tax rate, I again don't know how that is applicable to us leaving the zone itself and taking the big blow to our own economy (for example, we have just managed to bail the £ with about as much money as you would not have paid to EU in next fifty years even).again, like smallfox has said, we don't bail them out so what's the fuss there?
As for culture, I don't think there is a big issue in that. In fact an absolute majority of people of my age in this country didn't see any issue about culture I think either I think. I understand this much better than your other points though: the younger generation is more "the citizens of the world" (pun intended) because of the major social media advances and networking opportunities in the last ten or so years.
  1. Where did you get that figure from? What's the source? Again it's worrying but how does it affect UK if it's true? And where is the discussion on how it is more damaging to us than leaving the region itself?
  1. smallfox has replied that. I don't work in finance / economics but I kinda understood that we don't bail them out.
Valentine2 · 25/10/2016 17:42

And that can never change, of course?

larry
I think we also had the veto power in there didn't we?