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Bedroom Situation- Help me!

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NameChangeyy · 23/10/2016 01:49

Name changed as this could be quite identifying... Would appreciate thoughts on WIBU, and if it's me, please help me see some reason/ perspective... This could be long!

Background: I have 2 DDs (3,8) and DP has 1 DS (8). We've been together since my second DD was very little (5m). Kids get on well for the most part, bar some minor issues/ differences with the eldest two, but nothing out of the ordinary. I own a two bed house and he owns a one bed flat.

We are now at the stage where we are starting to think about buying somewhere together. I have some equity in the house and am in a position to save around £1k a month towards a deposit. DP does have money in flat, but I reckon it will struggle to sell, so renting it out may be an option. He saves around £200pm but this covers birthdays, xmas, holidays, emergencies etc.

And so here is the dilemma, 3 bedroom or 4 bedroom?

And here is my AIBU: I think it is perfectly practical and sensible to not overstretch ourselves, and buy a nice 3 bedroomed house in a reasonable area with affordable payments and enough of a buffer to still be able to save money each month. 90% of the 4 bedrooms close enough to be near my family wraparound childcare (out of house for 12hrs a day, nursery only 10hrs) would be top end of budget, new-builds with small rooms. DP is absolutely adamant that DS needs his own bedroom.

Fine, I say. We'll look at older larger 3 beds and the girls can continue sharing for the medium term. Because of the 5 year age gap, I don't think it's really fair to make a 14yo share with a 9yo sibling when there is a bedroom sitting empty for 6 nights of the week? He says he will not have his son feeling pushed out of his own home.

I understand where he is coming from, I do. Hence why I would have DDs share so he has his own space while they are all still young. But from my point of view, DS already has a main home with his DM, who is still in the marital home (big 4 bed, lovely area). I am responsible for providing the main home for the girls. DDs dad lives with his mother so they have their dads room when they stay once a week and he sleeps on the sofa. I also feel like reminding him that while our finances are still separate, he is contributing to £200 pm DS's main home, while the girls father is contributing £400pm to their main home- although I accept maybe IABU with that point.

So DP wants DS to have own room and playroom at his mums, and own room at ours.. While DDs share room at ours, and don't have a room at their dads.

I just don't think it sounds fair at all and I'm starting to doubt the whole thing and wether or not this will even work.. It goes without saying I love DP, and care about DS but this just feels like the tip of the special snowflake iceberg. I always feel like there are too many times we are all tiptoeing around DS because he doesn't get to spend as much time with his dad as the girls do. If he's here at the weekend it goes without saying we go where he wants to go, if he doesn't want to watch a film we don't watch it. We went on holiday, DS only likes 3 different foods (I'm not kidding) so all of us could only ever go to places that definitely did those foods. He won't eat ice cream so had to say no when DD asked to go to ice cream place. If it was my kids I'd be saying well DD, we're having X and I'd like it if you tried some. If you don't want X thats fine, we'll get you something before/ after but everyone else likes X so that's what we're having. I've since found out its a lot of rubbish and DS will eat most foods, he just prefers for example McDonalds chicken nuggets than having say a normal restaurant kids meal. But I don't blame the wee sod when his dad is putting up with it, and fighting his corner in front of him if I dare to ever question it.

As I said, we all get on really well for the most part but I can't help feeling a bit resentful that while DP is trying to make sure his son isn't getting a raw deal, its going to end up that the girls are. My thoughts are they can share until oldest hits teens and they stop having toys littering the room.. Then girls get their own rooms and for the 1 night DS is here (when he is a teenager, will he even want to come?!!) DDs bunk in with each other and DS sleeps in DDs room. We have really neutral decor anyway, their room is white just now with teal bedding and its the way we all like it. The DDs will be fully aware that its DS home at the weekend too and he gets his own space when he's here.

The only other option is a 4 bed, which I'm really not keen on and will take at least another year of saving :-( as well as much tigher budget, more to clean (we both work long hours full time as it is and I frequently bring work home!) please tell me if IABU??

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Justmemyselfandi999 · 23/10/2016 07:42

In your circumstances I'd be opting for the 4 bed. What happens if things change and DSS decides or needs to live full time with you? I'd be agreeing to the 4 bed, and splitting the financial aspect of monthly outgoings 3/5 paid by you and 2/5 by him.

NameChangeyy · 23/10/2016 07:53

Just if we had DS full time of course he'd get his own room and the girls would share. It's what most families would do in a 3 bedroom I suspect.

The finiances will probably be more of a split my way anyway, I earn much more and don't have as many outgoings.

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Believeitornot · 23/10/2016 07:54

I'm not sure the fussy food issue etc is relevant here.

It just creates some sort of bias against the ds who is, after all, just a child who has the difficulty of split parents.

The issue here is the living arrangements. Taking away the whole fussy food, DP being a weak parent, I would say actually he should have his own room. Turfing him out at some point or moving your dds etc just isn't fair.
You can afford a four bed from my reading,it would just be smaller than you'd like.

As for the fussy food stuff - well you could tackle this with your DP separately. Same with parenting. Maybe he feels over protective over him - have you discussed the reasons why he parents the way he does?

I speak as someone who has a fussy Dd - causes me no end of stress (My ds is not fussy at all). We have to adjust a little bit on holiday but it's rare that we can't find a place that has food for us all so am a bit Hmm at your description.

NameChangeyy · 23/10/2016 07:54

Mummy thanks for the tax advise, yet another reason I'd quite like to save money where I can by not paying for a completely pointless bedroom

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parrots · 23/10/2016 07:59

YANBU, stand your ground. Things will only get worse if you relent on this issue.

Believeitornot · 23/10/2016 08:01

The bedroom isn't pointless. You could get a four bed, use the fourth as a study/spare room for the ds.

I feel quite sorry for the ds to be honest. He has a step mother who does resent him somewhat, he has aplit parents and a pair who in the long run are probably doing more harm than good.

SavageBeauty73 · 23/10/2016 08:01

I still can't get over your girls didn't have ice cream on holiday as he doesn't like it.

zen1 · 23/10/2016 08:02

Having RTFT, I think there is more to consider here than whether you go for 3 or 4 bedrooms. Looking at ILoveAutumnLeaves's summary, I think you need to think carefully about what the long term impact will be on your DDs.

CheddarGorgeous · 23/10/2016 08:03

Another person who thinks that you really need a trial to see if it works all living together.

Is there a particular reason you want to move in together? Are you planning to get married and have more children?

ChuckBiscuits · 23/10/2016 08:05

I still can't get over your girls didn't have ice cream on holiday as he doesn't like it.

Me neither. I can't work out why you didn't just say 'oh dear, well don't have one then'. Why are you running around to pander to him with your daughters losing out all the time? It's an ice cream, surely you just go buy one and if he doesn't want one he doesn't have one? Just bizarre.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2016 08:07

"Our first holiday together was very much outdoor & activity based, something DP and DDs enjoy and he's more of an iPad child.. There was a few times when DD would get to something first (because she is faster), and he had a bit of a go at me that I hadn't been telling her that wasn't ok."

Why on Earth wasn't it OK? Sorry, but this is a dreadful lesson to teach girls and even if you did put your foot down it still says a lot about your partner's expectations.

I do think that you / your girls are getting a raw deal, to be honest. You are putting in most of the money, the son has a nice room of his own in his primary residence and the girls are now expected to share a room in their primary residence (when they have no room in their secondary one) so HRH can have his own room in the house that you are paying the lion's share of. At the same time, they have to make a raft of other compromises about food, etc., to please the son.

From your posts, you sound like a compromising type and a peacemaker - both good qualities I wish I had. But there is a golden mean and IMHO you are erring too much on the side of keeping the peace and not enough on the side of protecting your interests and those of your girls.

Personally, if it were me I'd not only be ensuring that the girls got a room each, but also that my financial interests were protected IF I went ahead and purchased with him.

But to be honest, in my books, his overall attitude leaves a lot to be desired and can't just be summed up as a Disney Dad - asking girls to be nice and let boys win and protecting boys' space at the expense of girls smacks of sexism and male entitlement to me.

NameChangeyy · 23/10/2016 08:10

Believe yes I do think that he is very over protective and I've often wondered why. He's very young for his age, and even at parents night teacher said he can be sensitive and a bit of a worrier. I think DP worries too much about this, feels guilt for leaving his mum, guilt that he only gets him 1 night a week, and the result is a very over-protective style of parenting (I see it from his mum too).

But yes, it's not the fussyness so much that annoys me, thats just one of these things. It's DPs complete lack of drive to do anything about it. Its not fussy as in, only eats chicken nuggets and pizza... It's fussy as in, only eats Mcds chicken nuggets and dominos pizza. And yes the place we went was very much "fish and ships" or "pizza place" etc.. Hard to explain without outing but it was just a rather large piece of nonsense. He won't go to family restaurant/ pub type places that do a variety of foods- point blank refuses.

It's maybe not relevant to the house situation, i was just trying to get across that it's not the first time DP will be pushing for DS to get his own way.

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Believeitornot · 23/10/2016 08:12

I think you should tackle it head on then (his approach to parenting). And ask yourself if he wasn't this way, how would you feel about the living arrangements?

And lay that out to your dp.

MaudlinNamechange · 23/10/2016 08:15

It's not about bedrooms. It's about the whole thing.
Don't move in with him. You have security for you and your your girls right now in a place that belongs to you, that you can afford, while still being able to afford to save. That is incredible. Well done. Don't jeopardise that while getting involved in a joint house that makes you hostage to fortune in a relationship with two selfish males. You can carry on seeing him if you want but don't drag your girls' home into it. Keep all that separate.

OP

"I think it's time I come out and properly stand my ground with this. Judging by the mixed responses I think I'm not 100% unreasonable, so I'd like to stick to my stance on a 3 bed and if he can't understand my logic, be prepared to walk away.

I don't think it's even about it actually happening at this point, I just want to know if he will back down and see where I'm coming from.. If he does back down, I still have lots to think about regarding wether we actually do it. It will be me putting in the bulk of the money after all."

Good attitude - not that you want to get a 3 bed with him - but that you shouldn't get any place with him while he expects you to reorganise your whole life to pay of something that he and his kid want, leaving you and your girls worse off.

don't intertwine your lives like this. please don't, getting out of it (you will want / need to at some point) will be a nightmare

MaudlinNamechange · 23/10/2016 08:16

"Personally, if it were me I'd not only be ensuring that the girls got a room each, but also that my financial interests were protected IF I went ahead and purchased with him. "

yes.

fizzingmum · 23/10/2016 08:18

I've just been in a similar position to you OP. Although we agreed on having a room each as we could afford it, we then argued about who had which room. He felt that DSS should have the biggest room because he shared at his Mums house. I felt that as he is only here 3 nights he should have the smallest. The largest should be for our joint DD who is with us full time. Then the next two for my DDs who are with me 6 nights and then the smallest for his son. I should say we are lucky to have found a house where all of these are double rooms, so he is not being kept in a cupboard, although you would think he was given the Disney Dad reaction. We also have similar experiences with food and days out etc. Always pandering to SS. My position is you can't have your cake and eat it. If he is part of the family and gets his own room, he also has to be part of the family and adhere to rules and share time, experiences etc. Not just what he wants to eat or do. Things are getting better in that respect but it's still an ongoing battle. My girls are older at 12 & 9, but both felt the lack of equality at the start.
I would suggest renting together too, give yourself some room for manoeuvre. On a practical level when we were house hunting 5 beds are very rare in the area, we looked at houses that had an additional reception room that could be used as a bedroom. In your case it could be a day room, snug type thing that converts to his room one night a week. I spent many hours on right move studying floor plans.

tofutti · 23/10/2016 08:18

I agree with ILoveAutumnLeaves

His stance on a bedroom for DS together with his general bias towards his DS would make me very wary of moving in with him.

Would the house be in your name, OP? Please safeguard your and your daughters' future.

I note that he didn't put much money in to his ex's house and now he's not putting much into a house with you, but still wants to dictate the living situation.

DesolateWaist · 23/10/2016 08:19

It just creates some sort of bias against the ds who is, after all, just a child who has the difficulty of split parents.

Are the daughters not children with separated parents?

NameChangeyy · 23/10/2016 08:19

I still can't get over your girls didn't have ice cream on holiday as he doesn't like it.

We did, once. We sat down but DP had to go off and find something he did liked, the only "treat" he'll have is a certain type of yogurt or a certain type of chocolate. So off he went in search of it, in the interest of fairness I made sure they all sat waiting patiently with a drink before we ordered ice cream. He came back and handed the treat to DS, then let him tuck in while we all sat and waited for our ice cream. DDs were too busy playing with eachother to notice (it was outside) so I just left it but was a bit Hmm.. Naturally DS finished first and cue "I'm bored, dad can I play on your phone". It was just a bit meh so we didn't from then on.

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Only1scoop · 23/10/2016 08:24

Rent together first
The imbalance of your parenting styles and difference in financial

Only1scoop · 23/10/2016 08:26

Sorry posted too soon
Difference in financial contribution will be magnified greatly....protect your assets completely.

Believeitornot · 23/10/2016 08:26

Yes they are but I don't see any issue for them when it comes to the house.

What's helike with the dd's generally, putting aside the ds and his food.
Also have you lived together at all?

eddielizzard · 23/10/2016 08:28

ShockShockShock

what kind of lesson are you teaching your girls??? bloody hell i thought it was the 1950's again reading your post. how depressing.

absolutely do not buy that 4 bedroomed house. as everyone else has said, snowflake doesn't have his own room at dad's now so he won't miss out.

it's time you put your girls first. i personally wouldn't buy a house with someone like this. you are doing them absolutely no favours and if we're to fight for equal rights, we all have to do it, every day on every small decision.

and i'd also be questioning whether your dp is all that great if he really can't see what he's doing. as for you sleeping on the sofa each time Shock

franincisco · 23/10/2016 08:30

You'd be mad to buy anywhere with him yet.

^This. OP you need to step back and see the situation for what it is. The bedroom issue is only the tip of the iceberg; you are enabling this man to sideline you and your dd's in order to achieve what he wants for his ds. FWIW I don't think he is wrong to want a bedroom for his ds, but the fact is that he wants it to the detriment of your dd's.

I would be worried that your dd's will blame you for these inequalities in the future. I was your dd in this equation, apart from the lack of fairness it gave me the notion that where men are concerned that you have to "put up and shut up" in order to have a quiet life. This is most certainly something I don't want for my dd's, and I'm sure you don't want that either.

I would be concerned that you and your dd's are filling in the gap for him whilst his ds is away, then he just expects you all to jump when he comes on his contact day. Why does he only have him one night a week?

OP do not tie your money in with this man. Resentment is already simmering and it will only get worse if you move in together.

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/10/2016 08:30

Omg the ice cream story really sums up the inequality in your relationship. Just go off with your girls and get an ice cream. Your girls get the treat when you see the shop and his ds gets the treat when he sees the shop end of. I'm all for fairness and what your dp is advocating is the antipathy of fairness.

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