To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

I have never voted Labour but I absolutely would vote for them with JC as leader. Without him they probably wouldn't get my vote.

Who have you voted for? Personal question so feel free to not answer.

As a youngster in Scotland I voted Scottish Socialists. As I got older and moved darn sarf (SE) I've voted for Green, Conservative and Lib Dem at different times.

I've always felt that the vote is a responsibility as well as a right. I take it seriously, I research party policies and candidates. And yet in the last 15 years I've never felt particularly happy with the way I've voted. I've gone for the 'least bad' option.

I've never 'believed' in any of our MPs. I think they are mostly all self serving, out of touch twats. I feel Corbyn is different. All those MPs being so against him has reinforced this for me. I 'believe' in Jeremy Corbyn.

For now, at least.

I too believe in Corbyn even more so after seeing all the vile, backstabbing antics of all the other politicians recently. I believe he is completely genuine and actually cares about the people.

I have always voted Labour. If the coup against him is successful, I think it is going to do some serious damage with some of their hardcore supporters. I certainly will not want to vote for a politician who has stabbed him in the back.

A real mix. You obviously believe in him.

I'd vote Tory to keep UKIP or worse out but have never needed to. Thankfully.

Bwahahahahahaha. Laughing my head off that someone thinks anyone could be 'scared silly' by Jeremy Corbyn and the idea he might run for pm. As if. I expect they would be mightily relieved to be running against him, an easy win. He is an anti Semitic, incompetent fool.

Yes you are being unreasonable. However I don't blame you. The main media outlets in this country are against him. So is his party...which is overrun by infiltrators who should form their own Centrist Blairite party. Labour was always traditionally a Socialist party...Corbyn has brought it back to its rightful roots and I'm pretty sure he could win as people are so fed up...they want a counter to austerity and he is it.

'Infiltrators'. The language of reason

If the Labour Party had stood behind him and worked together they could have had the Tories on their knees, but by not supporting their elected (by their voters) leader they've shown themselves to be the same old bunch of back stabbers as the Tories. Westminster is a joke. To think people voted out of Europe because they wanted politicians that they voted for and could trust...!! Good luck with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Boris popped up wit a labour campaign. Anything seems to be possible this week. Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him?

Honeyroar...excellent.

Jeremy strongly believes that the party should be answerable above all to the party members. He is not remaining in power for his own benefit, but to ensure that the voice of the people is heard. If the PLP want to get rid of them, it is incumbent on them to prove that they have the backing of the party. This is not an easy position to hold, and they are trying to break him. He is showing a huge amount of courage in standing up to them, and he is not doing it for his own ends, but because he believes he owes it to the party.

A lot of people say that the PLP has a larger mandate from the people, not the party, but a huge percentage of voters do not care who their mp is, they only vote for the party brand. If they stood as independents against an alternative labour candidate, it would be the labour candidate who would win. Even Eagle does not have the support of her own constituency party.

If Corbyn stands down, not only will Labour not be able to replace him with anyone better, it is my prediction that large numbers of Northern towns will swing over to UKIP seats next election. If he remains, he may well fail to capture any new voters, but he is more likely to hang on to the ones he has. We all live in our own little bubbles, but I do not know a single labour voter who will not be casting their vote elsewhere if the coup is successful.

Having lost Scotland and engaged in months of petty backstabbing, the Labour party has little hope of winning the next election no matter who is leader. Given that their next best option is a woman who came third in the deputy elections, you might think that the PLP should come together behind their leader and actually give him a fighting chance. If George Bush Junior could run the U.S. with a team behind him, I'm pretty certain Jeremy could run the U.K. (or England, or whatever is left by then).

I would vote for labour under jc

A lot of people say that the PLP has a larger mandate from the people, not the party, but a huge percentage of voters do not care who their mp is, they only vote for the party brand

It's this utter disdain for voters that I find the most shocking and alienating about JC supporters.

Of course MPs should be answerable above all to the people they represent in Parliament.

I'm an Aussie and I really really hope he stays. To have a proper left wing leader go to the polls and win for UK would be game changing in global politics. It would really start shifting the conversation away from the neo liberal politics.

The Labour MPs should step up and stand by him.

Here here ICJump.

I have to say that I had never been aware that apparently media collusion is an anti-Semitic trope... you can call me ignorant but there you go. Hence my questioning whether the man in the meeting did or didn't. I don't think it can be assumed he did.

Secondly, can anyone tell me who it was who filmed that clip of the incident we can see on Evening Standard and other news media? Also whether there is another clip I could look at?

Because I find it quite hard to hear what Marc Wadsworth is actually saying - it sounds as if he is saying something about Ruth Smeeth handing the Telegraph a press release and then accusing her of colluding with the press... But a telephone rings over the top of what he is saying. And then very clearly you can hear the chorus of 'How dare he!!?' and a gentleman sitting behind Ruth Smeeth say very clearly that this is an example of anti-Semitism at an anti-Semitism inquiry and then Ruth Smeeth walks out.

Those people who say they won't vote Labour if JC goes - who do you plan on voting for if Labour elect a new leader? Or will you just not bother? Genuinely interested to know.

JC is anti-europe, he led a lack lustre remain campaign and he clearly is unable to complete the job of leader which as well as being principled requires him to lead the PLP.

It's all well and good being a principled backbencher but when you're leading the party you have to compromise, work with groups with different priorities, bring people together and lead from the front. He has not done that - is inability to bring groups together is what has contributed to this split.

I don't think JC led a lack-lustre campaign at all. According to Angela Eagle he followed a timetable of campaigning that would have made a 25 year tired.

And Labour picked up more of the Remain vote than the Conservatives.

I think JC was right to say that he 7/10 in favour of the EU rather than idealistic twaddle a la Bo Jo, Farage and Gove. Twaddle which they then couldn't deliver and admitted so the morning after the referendum vote.

And he does bring people together, many many people who otherwise were disenchanted and demoralised around the political system in this country. I am one of them.

And he has done this is the face of overwhelming odds - an almost entirely hostile main stream media and troublemakers within his own party.

Come to that, I wonder how we actually know that Angela Eagle apparently attempted to meet with Jeremy Corbyn but that he refused to see her? Has she released her email communication with him to the press? Or is it just that she says it happened therefore it did?
Genuinely interested, does anyone know?

And why is there intense anti-Corbyn rhetoric in the mainstream media anyway?

#chilcotiscoming

I don't understand why it's Corbyn's fault people voted leave wasn't the campaign non party based.

That fact that even now people don't know if he voted in or out shows the level of his commitment to the remain campaign.

JC is not the right leader for my Labour Party and there are others that agree with me. Party members should be able to vote again - and hopefully this time someone who can unite the party and lead from the front will win.

I voted for him to be party leaderand while I have been disappointed in some of the choices he has made in terms of handling the media and his choice of chief of communications, I fervently believe he would have been more successful with the fulsome support Of PLP, but as others have observed, many have been determined to discredit him fro the outset.
I would have no objection to supporting a candidate with the same political standpoint as Jeremy, who had broader appeal, but it seems the party are not prepared, in any sense, to offer one. Liked Lisa Nandy for that role but feel she's let herself down by taking the course of action she's chosen. feel extremely disappointed by some of the unadulterated bitchyness I've seen from MPs on Twitter etc.- very nasty, childish and not befitting of ppl claiming they want to run the country, and also very disappointed by the disdainful way they have chosen to portray members who supported Corbyn as far left idealists and thugs as opposed to recognising that many Labour supporters feel the party doesn't represent them or its traditional values.

Interesting that people are falling over themselves to defend Corbyn's behaviour and making up reasons why he wasn't anti-Semitic. If Cameron had done and said the same things, you would (rightly) be tearing him apart. The fantasy that Corbyn represents is being defended here, but we need to look past that to the unpleasant failure.

^ Corbyn supporters certainly can be thugs, and misogynist ones at that.

I was piled on on a Facebook Labour forum for daring to criticise Corbyn. Called 'idiot' repeatedly and worse from the start, was mocked and laughed at by about 20 men. Generally five word answers or less. Doesn't bother me, tbh - I'm hard and I damn well stood up for myself. Yet a male friend of mine expressed a very similar opinion on the same day, and the exact same men who were probably wanking off at attacking a woman engaged fairly reasonably with him even though his OP was a little more robust than mine.

That's not just corbyn supporters. Sadly that's the entire internet, and probably the entire world.
As for who left wingers will vote for if corbyn goes, the sad truth is, it won't matter. That's why we want him to stay.

But it should matter, shouldn't it Lucy, if they want to be the broad church they claim to be?