To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

It's like some sort of cult.

There is absolutely no way he could win a general election, all he's achieving is splitting the party in two. They should be able to capitalise on the mess the Tories have heaped upon themselves but now they're just showing how unfit the party is to govern in its present form. He has to go, not just for the good of the party but for the good of the country, which at present basically doesn't have an opposition. It is a mess but I totally get why the PLP is coming out against him.

I personally mostly agree with his politics BTW but I recognise that it will put lots off people off voting Labour. They'll vote Conservative or UKIP instead. Now is not the time for the Labour Party to become a party of protest.

The anti Semitic attitude of some of his supporters and their behaviour in general has put me off anyway. As has the fact that Corbyn now looks incredibly foolish. He just isn't leadership material, maybe with a bit more charisma he could do it but he just doesn't have that 'x factor' that could persuade a large enough number of people to vote for him and his ideology.

Perhaps, Lucylongcat, but it's never happened (yet) in online debates with Tory, UKIP and LibDem supporters. I've not been called an idiot for disagreeing with them.

Yes, Duchess but that's why I'm not opposed to someone of a similar ideology who has got the broad appeal, and better PR replacing him.

I've seen some incredibly rude, patronising posters, from the right who personally insult those who hold an alternative position on some newspaper comments sections. You really can see that behaviour from ppl of all political persuasions.

I'm sure you can, apricot, when it goes unchallenged, but my data anecdote is of voters for other parties engaging civilly with my very different views while other Labour voters, supposedly fellow members of our party, resorted to aggression and name-calling.

That's the problem isn't it - there doesn't seem to be any alternative and certainly not one who would appeal to grassroot members.

(They need someone like Paul Mason - he has that type of broad appeal IMO.)

Paul Mason would be AMAZING! But sadly won't happen.

Labour in the last 6 months have it handed to them on a plate, cuts in services and the doctors strike we should have been far ahead of the Tories yes where were these masses of supporters in the local elections

The Tories will pull themselves together quickly but if Jeremy won't step down we shall still be fighting and I think he will get what he wants I think he wants the party to split

And he is no fool all this it was a bad choice of words in his speech the other day is rubbish he likes being controversial he has made a career out of rebelling from the back benches he knew exactly what he was doing

I agree with other posters it's like a cult his bad decisions are meet with well it was JM fault he pushed for it or it was taken the wrong way

Anyone who has seen his outburst on C4 news is aware he can certainly speak up when he feels he feels passionately enough to do so

Or when he is given a media platform to do so Enthusiasm.

I find it really insulting personally when some posters are calling those pro Corbyn ''Corbynistas' [like fashionistas so the sense is of them following a trend but basically superficial], misogynistic, thuggish or cult followers.

I am sure it is possible that some posters have come across those who are pro Corbyn who are like this but I haven't personally. The pro Corbyn people that I meet are more likely to be deeply committed to the public service and have valuable roles in the NHS and teaching who are fearful of the pro-austerity, capitalist at any cost bent of the Tories. Educated and thoughtful people who are concerned at the power of the far right media [and Rupert Murdoch] in this country and fed up of Labour behaving like the Tory lite party.
They are not all knuckle dragging, thuggish, anti-Semitic, far left activists as the media would have you believe

Corbyn has had plenty of opportunities for a media platform but he refuses them. He will not go on Sunday Politics, for example, after being repeatedly offered the chance. He refused to share a platform with Tories during the Referendum campaign.

Yes, of course it's possible to support Jeremy Corbyn without being part of a cult and to be a reasonable, thinking person. But it is notable that so many supporters of JC are anti-Semitic, aggressive, threatening, far left thugs.

I'd be happy to stop using "Corbynista" if others stop using "Blairite" to describe anyone who may disagree with them or who may be a little bit more politically centrist than they are. I find it incredibly tiresome, kneejerk and frankly a bit silly.

So many supporters are anti-Semitic, aggressive, threatening, far left thugs

Really cingo?

Where is your evidence for this?

Oh sister, please.

Anyone who has seen his outburst on C4 news is aware he can certainly speak up when he feels he feels passionately enough to do so

Do you mean his 'outburst' at Victoria MacDonald Enthusiasm?

Where she tweeted - My exchange with @jeremycorbyn in full at 515pm on @Channel4News. He was angry yes but contrary to reports I didn't feel 'lunged at'

Where Jeremy Corbyn was asked repeatedly when he was going to stand down by pursuing reporters as he was leaving a rally... and a male reporter said 'It feels like you are running away from the media'.
JC stops, an aide tries to pull him away and he merely says 'If you want to arrange an interview, speak to my press office. Thank you.'

Is that the 'outburst' you are referring to *Enthusiasm'.

Or has there been some altercation that I am not aware of?

No, you come on sister

I have just written here about the people I personally know who are pro-Corbyn and are not misogynistic, racist thugs.

I am not misogynistic or racist or a thug.

So stop with the sneery crap smearing pro Corbyn supporters and don't 'come on sister' me

SeaWitchly, I never accused you of being a thug or anything nasty. I'm glad that everyone you know who is pro-Corbyn is an exemplary human being. This is not my experience, nor is it the experience of many of my friends, some of whom are Jewish.

I've been a Labour supporter for decades. I remember the hard left Militant politics of the 80s and it wasn't pretty. This is worse. It's a poisonous atmosphere hell bent on division when all on the left should unite.

I'm genuinely sorry that I offended you by calling you "sister". This used to be common parlance on the left, along with "comrade" at meetings.

Lately, I've been called "Blairite", "right-wing", "Zionist scum" and c**t.

I saw a clip of his outburst/non-outburst on (I think) the Guardian and I think it was a female journalist asking if he was running away; he looked quite aggressive before he recovered himself after a couple of seconds and said, "Call my press office." I heard a journalist say something like, "We tried and they wouldn't give us an interview." To be honest, I don't think anyone came out of it well.

You might not be a racist thug (in fact I'm sure you aren't, and I also know a lot of very well meaning and caring people who blindly support JC and are not racist). HOWEVER, you have been providing some excuses for behaviour which has widely been condemned as extremely offensive.

Why are you so positive that JC and co have not done anything wrong? Your comments have been quite one-sided or you have said "I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows" when presented with fairly decent evidence that JC and the activist involved in the Ruth Smeeth incident were being at best very insensitive and at worst deliberately offensive. Some people are choosing to ignore or are defending behaviour which many find racist and that is what I find concerning about JC and some of his supporters.

You seem to be using whatever argument you can to defend JC. Forgive me, and I really don't want to offend you, but that does have an aroma of cultish reverence about it.

Snap, Cingo. I've been called vile names too. Corbyn's own MPs are being abused and threatened by his mob, yet he does nothing about it.

AllthePretty (love this name!) sorry to hear that.

Ah, I'm hard ;). I used to work in customer service so it was nothing, ha ha.

Your comments have been quite one-sided or you have said "I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows" when presented with fairly decent evidence that JC and the activist involved in the Ruth Smeeth incident were being at best very insensitive and at worst deliberately offensive.

Stevie I just think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

I do not see an accusation of colluding with the media as intrinsically anti-Semitic. Particularly not in the context of some Labour MPs apparently colluding with the media in terms of leaking information.

Also the activist concerned has explained that he apparently saw Ms Smeeth pass a press release to a Telegraph journalist.

Now I say 'apparently' because I don't know the truth of the matter 100%. I don't know why Jeremy Corbyn allegedly apologised to Marc Wadsworth and said he would contact him.

I don't believe any of this makes me a defender of or apologist for racist behaviour.

However I acknowledge that you may have a more comprehensive understanding of the incident if you were actually at the anti-Semitic inquiry or are one of the people closely involved in the incident...
Is that the case here?

• evidence, what evidence against our Glorious Leader?

I find it really insulting personally when some posters are calling those pro Corbyn ''Corbynistas' [like fashionistas so the sense is of them following a trend but basically superficial],

Politically this harks back to the Sandanista tradition (or even Zapatista), doesn't it, rather than implying superficiality?

What concerns me is the rather decimated shadow cabinet we've now got as a result" not exactly Labours A team.
The left/right tension has always been there but I never expected Blairites to ever be on the losing side within the party.