To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

I read JC as Jesus Christ

Sonic he isn't ineffective he is obviously winning votes and if there is another leadership contest he will win again (I think and hope). In a GE I would certainly vote for him as would many others but if the blairites succeed in getting him out no way will i be voting labour. It would be the lib dems who get my vote. If only mp's weren't self serving we would have a strong labour party now.

I'd rather see a leader that could get the Conservatives out. The cuts we've been through are nothing to what we'll see now the eurosceptic right of the party are going to be in control.

Are any of you in the south east of England?

Lenska I have heard of the second coming so you never know!

Haha tired, that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons!

There's no evidence to support this mantra that Labour can't win under JC. Labour are on 32% right now. He is popular in the country. And he's achieved this whilst being constantly dragged down by his colleagues. If they would only support him he would do well. I think he is definitely electable. Who the fuck else would be better?

I'm absolutely outraged that labour have used this huge crisis as an excuse for some petty party infighting. It's abundantly clear that there is no plan at all for leave and labour need to be in there being vocal and organised and trying to wrest the momentum away from the racist far-right and rebuild this country along labour principles rather than UKIP ones. But they don't actually give a crap about the state of the country, they just see it as an excuse to stick he knives in. JC wasn't responsible for this referendum and he wasn't responsible for leading the campaign. In the end, 2 out of 3 labour voters voted remain. That is entirely respectable. It's all just party politics bullshit.

There's a bigger picture here, PLP.

No Liverpool, stripey that's exactly what I want , a labour government, not a principled leader of the opposition.

If you get a labour government surely it should be headed by a principled leader who has something resembling integrity and a conscience as opposed to tory lite which is what you will get without Corbyn

He needs to go, they need a good strong leader now, there will almost certainly be a genreal election before christmas and they need someone whos fit to run the country and Corbyn is not the person.

Because it's a well paid job for actually not doing very much at all , all he's voters supported Camerons campaign so really even though he was Luke warm about the whole Europe thing he didn't even have to do much work . Why would you give a well paid job up like that ?

It wouldn't be for the good of the party.

The electorate have just delivered the biggest "fuck off" to the political establishment for years.

For the Labour party to respond to that, by deposing their seemingly anti-establishment leader (albeit a white middle class MP, one of the most privileged groups in society) and replacing him with a more establishment-friendly leader, would be an act of crass unintelligence.

It would simply confirm in the minds of the electorate, that the party is finished - it's just another irrelevant North London elite. The electorate have shown very clearly that they don't want a safe pair of hands, they want change and whether they look to the right or the left for that change, very much depends on who they think will deliver it. If the Labour party re-instates an establishment candidate, the electorate will simply look to Boris, Farage, or anyone else.

Hardly in the interests of the Labour party

Labour need to win seats in the South East to get into government. Even more so now that they have lost their Scottish seats to the SNP. He's not capable of winning the swing votes Labour needs. He can't even hold his own party together.

Pen that is not the case at all JC is responsible for many u turns highlighting the plight of housing, inequality,welfare cuts hitting those who can least weather them. I have never had faith in politicians but he has given a whole generation of young people hope.

North London elite? Like, say, Islington North?

Do I think he can win a GE? Fuck yes. All the young people I know love him and would vote for him in a heartbeat. All the Labour voters my age would vote for him. Even me, and I haven't voted Labour since Blair decided to invade Afghanistan.

Are they the young voters who turned out in such huge numbers on Thursday?

Oh.

Sonic he will win votes, if those awful mp's are dealt with, he will win. The issue here are the mp's who can't accept he's their leader not the electorate

Sonic he will win votes, if those awful mp's are dealt with, he will win. The issue here are the mp's who can't accept he's their leader not the electorate

Those are the 'awful MPs' who were democratically elected by and represent their constituents, not just LP members?

He was late to the remain party and lacklustre in his efforts, previously on record at being eurosceptic I don't think his heart was in the campaign. As a remain labour supporter I am unhappy with this and the leaves will be unhappy because he sided with remain - so who will vote for him if he has let everyone down.

He won't win swing votes in the South East. The way our system is he needs those votes to get enough seats to be in government. The people who support him are fiercely loyal and blind to any other view of him. If he could get elected I'd be happy to have him as a PM but it's not going to happen. I'd rather have a Labour PM than Corbyn as opposition leader.

Did their constituents tell them to stage a coup against their leader, Sonic?

They are awful. The Tory party is tearing itself apart and instead of capitalising on it, the awful Labour MP's have decided they want their own tearing apart party.

How is that in the interests of the party? The OP was about the interests of the Labour party.

Jassy those mp's who are democratically elected resigned to show they are unhappy with corbyn how does that help their constituents they represent? It doesn't it's self serving

And BTW jassy JC has been democratically elected too! Pity the mp's trying to push him out don't care much for that

I'm not fiercely loyal to him. I think he's a bit of a smug brocialist tbh, I don't like him that much.

But I really don't see that replacing him with a tame Murdoch-friendly bot will be in the interests of the Labour party. Much less of the majority of British people.

I'm not a party member, but I am currently a supporter because of Corbyn, purely and simply because I cannot see the point of having a Labour PM whose only function is to ensure that the Overton window is safely kept over on the right wing of politics, thus making it much easier for the natural party of government, the Conservative party, to pursue its long term agenda (abolition of the welfare state), when it's eventually re-elected.

But sonic if we get a labour pm who continues the austerity measures, increasing inequality what's the difference between the tories and labour? Not being funny at all btw genuinely wondering