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To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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AndNowItsSeven · 26/06/2016 18:07

Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

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SteviebunsBottrittrundle · 03/07/2016 11:09

Your comments have been quite one-sided or you have said "I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows" when presented with fairly decent evidence that JC and the activist involved in the Ruth Smeeth incident were being at best very insensitive and at worst deliberately offensive.

Stevie I just think we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

Just wondering which part do you disagree with exactly? Do you not think it was "at least very insensitive" to accuse a Jewish woman of colluding with the press at a launch for a report which had specifically identified accusations of collusion with the media as being anti-Semitic? Even if the activist didn't know Ruth Smeeth was Jewish, as tiggytape said up thread, Corbyn did. He also knew that accusations of collusion with the press as it was specified in the report he was launching. Even if it was a series of unfortunate coincidences, you don't think that was at least very insensitive? Put yourself in the shoes of the Jewish MP. What do you do for a living?; (no need to answer that, just think about your own work). Can you imagine being treated that way by your boss? Even if it was an accident, Corbyn was then shaking hands with the activist. I would be gutted if my boss did that to me. Worse, as Corbyn has a posse of people who yes, do resort to attacking MPs if they aren't fully on board with everything JC says. I see it all over social media; I don't need to have been at Westminster to see it. Can't you see how dangerous that is?

SteviebunsBottrittrundle · 03/07/2016 11:11

Woops, should have said:

"...He also knew that accusations of collusion with the press was something which was identified as being anti-Semitic..."

aquashiv · 03/07/2016 11:38

Maybe a strong leader does NOT resign?
Any great Labour leader will always be slated by the Murdoch press - look what they did to Tony Blair.

TheBathroomSink · 03/07/2016 11:52

Any great Labour leader will always be slated by the Murdoch press

It isn't the Murdoch press though, is it? They're basically ignoring him as a complete irrelevance.

rubybleu · 03/07/2016 12:44

But he's not leading in any sense of the term.

But it was rather silly in retrospect to appoint someone who has never operated as part of a team to lead one, which Corbynites struggle to grasp.

There's an opportunity right now to pick up the pro-EU baton for support from at least some of the 48% remain, as well as Europeans in the UK. There was a huge Europe support rally yesterday in London. Did JC attend & address the troops? No, he attended a two bit rally in the back corner of Highbury Fields for an Islington Labour love-in. He repeatedly kicks own goals yet he's such a fantastic "leader".

TheDuchessOfKidderminster · 03/07/2016 13:10

A large part of Blair's success lay in getting the backing of the Murdoch press. It was Iraq that did for him and the blame for that lies squarely on his own shoulders.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 03/07/2016 13:24

Blair was charismatic

He made people believe their was a good future ahead for everyone he was on everyone's side

Blair won another election after the Iraq war

derxa · 03/07/2016 13:30

Blair was charismatic Yes and a complete narcissist. Jeremy isn't charismatic. He's a sullen old goat but seems to have principles he sticks to. He's been anti establishment all of his life and now he's protesting against his own party. The sight of 'Lord' Kinnock calling for his resignation will make him dig his heels in. Kinnock a man whose whole family have made a fortune out of the EU.

Dozer · 03/07/2016 13:33

There is nothing wrong with working for the EU FFS.

Although I disapprove of the UKIP MEPs taking the wages and not turning up.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 03/07/2016 13:56

oh the principled man who lied his way through the referendum debate to hold onto his position

I think people can see through this now

Yes TB does have narcissistic traits I am not sure you will find many leaders of countries/parties/movements who don't unfortunately and I would add JC on that list

derxa · 03/07/2016 14:04

Although I disapprove of the UKIP MEPs taking the wages and not turning up. Glenys Kinnock was filmed signing up and leaving the building moments later.

derxa · 03/07/2016 14:06

A large part of Blair's success lay in getting the backing of the Murdoch press Yes and that is the game that Jeremy doesn't play.

TheDuchessOfKidderminster · 03/07/2016 14:09

I know ED - I even think he could have won another election after 2005. It's Iraq that has toxified his legacy, a lot more than the Poll Tax did for Mrs T.

IthinkIamsinking · 03/07/2016 14:20

YANBU
His allegiance is to the 250,000 members (including Tory supporters) who voted him on on his ( last minute ballot ticket) rather than leading a strong opposition, and to the 46 million UK electorate. As long as he stays then he will be handing the next GE to the Tories.
He is deluded if he thinks his extreme left wing views will appeal to a wider demographic. I wish he would just disappear. Am tired of looking at him.... he always looks a mess.

derxa · 03/07/2016 14:29

Why did Cameron urge him to go? I don't think DC has the Labour party's interests at heart. It could be that Corbyn although useless as a leader and destroying his party is showing up the corruption and venal self interest of the political class.

lalalonglegs · 03/07/2016 16:51

Why did Cameron urge him to go? The full quote from Cameron is: "It might be in my party’s interest for him to sit there. It’s not in the national interest. I would say – for heaven’s sake, man, go." He recognises that JC is handing the Tories the next election on a plate but he couldn't resist having a dig at him. It has nothing to do with a fear of JC showing up the "corruption and venal self-interest of the political class" which, incidentally, isn't something that he has done, imo.

The statement issued by Corbyn's aides yesterday that he was a vulnerable, elderly man who couldn't possibly meet with Tom Watson as it was too intimidating makes me think more and more that he is a hostage to Momentum and his supporters and would dearly love to walk away if they would only let him. Over the past few days he has looked increasingly bewildered and drawn. The whole situation makes me angry and sad by turn.

derxa · 03/07/2016 17:10

The whole situation makes me angry and sad by turn. I agree and wish there was a credible Opposition. Parliamentary business is not being done because Opposition posts are unfilled.

corruption and venal self-interest of the political class Most of them are ghastly self servers. I don't agree with Jeremy on anything but he has his beliefs and seems to stick to them. He's a bit like Farage. I don't agree with any of his beliefs either- btw

lalalonglegs · 03/07/2016 17:16

Have a glass of Wine with me, derxa. The whole situation is grim beyond words.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 03/07/2016 22:18

How is Corbyn showing up anyone but himself. no one apart from his most loyal supporters is thinking hang on Jeremy is doing a good job showing up corruption and as for self interest Hmm you could maybe argue that if he hadn't lied throughout the referendum campaign he certainly wouldn't be leader now if he had been honest

Nothing he will do now will have any positive impact apart from stepping down and I really can't think of anything that he has done as a leader apart from lose labour even more supporters and now torn the party apart

BrandNewAndImproved · 04/07/2016 06:05

He's waiting until Wednesday.
However he has more support then just a few loyal supporters. He wouldn't be there now if it wasn't for all the rallys and demos for him in the last few days. There's been loads all over the country but they don't seem to be reported for some reason. Murdoch

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 04/07/2016 09:11

Is he I am very pleased to hear it

They are in the news if you look but Their votes will make no impact at all and who is to say they are not party members who voted for him they are more likely to be than

TheWernethWife · 04/07/2016 11:30

I'm a Corbyn supporter and so is my partner - I'm a card carrying member of the labour party, partner is an associate member due to union membership and works for the NHS. We were both in Manchester at the rally last Friday night.

SeaWitchly · 04/07/2016 11:50

Stevie please read my post again if you don't understand what I disagree with.

Thunderbumsmum · 04/07/2016 19:41

I don't understand this need so much of the population has to feel 'anti establishment', it shows emotional immaturity. It is depressing that so many people are unable to be pragmatic and see that if you can't inspire confidence in the people you are working with, you cannot be a successful leader.

Showmethewaytogohome · 04/07/2016 19:47

Sick of being called a Blairite for wanting JC gone. I am not. Have never been. I have said on another thread it is them or us propaganda and mob mentality - where are majority of people in the middle like me then.

Not blairite not corbynite.

Card carrying member too. Would never attend a rally in support of JC, Detested Blair