To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

I knew exactly which part of the comment was perceived to be anti-Semitic, I just don't think it's right to leap to that assumption, when nothing else he said then or subsequently indicated that was the position he held. I went out of my way to be pleasant and non-confrontational towards you and simply put my own point of view across, but you seem to seek to berate me for not agreeing with your view, we could just debate the issue respectfully but as it's clear that won't happen I'll leave it there.

Collusion with the press is something Jewish people have been accused of for years. It was that which was part of the antisemetism.

What a ridiculous comment to make Lady!

If this was said, then surely it could also be assumed that it was because there have apparently been Labour MPs colluding with the press via leaking their resignation letters, etc.

Not because Ruth Smeeth was Jewish.

The Chair of the anti-Semitism inquiry has defended Jeremy Corbyn over this incident -

www.lbc.co.uk/chakrabati-defends-corbyn-over-anti-semitism-133112

How is one meant to take his kind words of inclusivity?

Is a uk citizen choosing to move to the State of Israel on a par with a uk citizen moving to to live in the Islamic State? He is either being deliberately and slyly nasty to the uk Jewish community imo. Or he's just stupid.

He's not the nice old geography teacher after all!

This was my interpretation SeaWitchly.

Corbyn was launching a report about Anti-Semitism. One of the main recommendations of the report was not to make offensive and inappropriate comparisons with Israel. Which he proceeded to do.

Some have argued that his words do not compare Israel with Isil. His point is that both Israel and Isil are extremists or terrorists. And while Muslims are decent because they do not support Isil’s actions, Jews are decent when they do not support Israel. And, of course, only when they do not support Israel.

Why did he think, at a meeting about Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, that the best thing that he could say was to compare Israel with Isil? This was met with whistling and cheers from his supporters. And then a Labour MP, who has spent her life fighting racism, was singled out for attack for being part of a conspiracy (a classic Anti Semitic trope) by a Momentum scumbag activist, while Corbyn just stood by and watched.

Let’s stop this ludicrous idea that Corbyn is a nice, principled man, who’s maybe out of his depth. Jeremy Corbyn is one the nastiest and most cynical politicians I've ever come across.

The launch of that report was an absolute PR disaster - what some people see as a really offensive analogy from Corbyn (at best a very misguided one) and the incident with Ruth Smeeth which can certainly be interpreted as being Anti Semitic (and was most certainly rude). It was beyond parody.

So the activist knew Ruth Smeeth was Jewish and that is why he stated that she was colluding with the press?

How do you know that tiggy?

Okay, but as I said before you also then can't know if the activist said what he said because MPs have been accused of colluding with press and leaking information, i.e. their resignation letters.

So to assume that he said what he said because Ruth Smeeth is Jewish is ridiculous. He might have said it because he knew she was Jewish... or he might not.

I don't pretend to know why because I wasn't there and I didn't see the interaction and also can't read minds.

And you don't know either Tiggy.

It seemed a pretty pointed insult to me made all the worse by Cornyn doing zilch to reprimand the man and, when I saw footage on the news last night, apparently greeting him in a very warm and friendly manner at the end of the meeting. I was nauseated by the whole spectacle.

So... by your reasoning, to avoid a 'pointed insult' I would need to ensure that anyone who I was about to accuse of colluding with the press was definitely not Jewish... so as not to appear anti-Semitic?

I think JC is a pretty awesome guy. He has done wonders for the labour party and the other parties are scared silly that an actual normal person could get into no10. Over 250 thousand people voted for him to be leader of the abour party. I remember reading that that was more people than for all the other parties combined. It's disgusting that he is being shat on by his own party. Mid June Angela eagle was kissing his arse and banging on about how amazing he is and how hard he works and within TWO WEEKS she stabbed him in the back. And now the people in her constituency have said they want her to back him or she will be out next. there is a lot of bad feeling amongst JCs supporters over his fellow party members.

I hope he stays, I hope he brazens this out because out of all of them he has the most sensible head on his shoulders. We need that now. More austerity is going to cripple this country and take away from the poorest.....he knows this and I believe he is the best choice forward. This country isn't run by just one man, they have teams and teams of advisors and i know he could do a better job than the current self serving twatbag

I suspect many of the Labour coup MPs have been colluding with and leaking information to the mainstream press.

I haven't a clue whether they are Jewish or not. Their Jewish identity or lack thereof has no bearing on my suspicions.

Therefore I do not believe I could be accused of being anti-Semitic if indeed one of these MPs whom I suspect of collusion is Jewish.

Are we going to have to pretend that that guy didn't know Ruth Smeeth is Jewish

Ok then let's also pretend that Ken Livingstone didn't deliberately try and cause offence towards a Jewish women one that is far far clever than he is didn't take the bait

Maybe its about the principle of them plotting behind his back for the past year...

And labour wonder why they have a problem with the reputation of ignoring antisemitism

So let's pick on the Jewish woman

Ok seems inline with part of the party

Maybe its best labour do split because this is as ugly as UKIP tactics

Are we going to have to pretend that that guy didn't know Ruth Smeeth is Jewish

Oh come on Enthusiasm, enough with the faux outrage.

I am not pretending, I am saying [again and again] that I don't know... and guess what neither do you!

Faux outrage

so we can only pull up prejudice and racist behaviour when it is so blatant that we can't make excuses or pretend that it didn't happen

The main issue is: can Corbyn be an effective leader of the official opposition ?
He can't, because over 80% of Labour MPs oppose him.

Without discipline in the House of Commons, a party has little influence on the laws and decisions that affect the lives of the whole population.
Like it or not, the current Tory system is quite effective in letting both MPs and the members get their say and produce a leader they will mostly get behind, even in the current mess. So, it is possible to find a better method of electing an effective Labour leader

The Tories staggering incompetence and irresponsibility let their Bullingdon Bully leadership contest spread to dividing the country in two, probably sending the country into recession and splitting up the UK.

They have accidentally caused the most significant changes to the UK in the last 40 years at least.
The PM miscalculated. His friend stabbed him in the back and buggered off to Brexit, then got backstabbed himself

Any opposition leader who could find his arse with even one hand should be annhilating this useless shower, destroying them electorally, maybe ending them as a major party.

But we have the ridiculous situation that it's Labour who would probably lose if the new Tory PM calls an election.

Well it's not very blatant if one person accuses another of colluding with the press.

It only becomes anti-Semetic if that person a] understands that an anti-Semitic trope is 'Jewish people collude with the press' and then b] accuses a Jewish person of colluding with the press just because they are Jewish and for no other reason.

So you are prepared to state beyond a shadow of a doubt that this activist understood that this was an oft-used trope in stereotyping and insulting Jewish people and also that he knew Ruth Smeeth was Jewish herself and he said what he said for no other reason than to attack her Jewish identity... ?

Well, that's a heck of a lot of assumptions you are making imo..

OK, let's assume the man at the meeting didn't know that accusing someone of being part of a media conspiracy was anti-semitic and nor did he know that Ruth Smeeth was Jewish (I'm trying hard but can't not use a ). Jeremy Corbyn bloody knew it was an anti-semitic trope as Shami Chakrabarti had specifically mentioned it in the report that he had been given to read the night before. He also knew that Ruth Smeeth is Jewish - I can't believe that it didn't crop up during the whole Ken Livingstone debacle when she was part of his cabinet - and he did nothing to stop it. Not only that but, as mentioned earlier, he appeared to go up to exchange a few matey words with the alleged member of Momentum afterwards who made the accusations.

He is an embarrassment and I wish he would just fuck off to the back benches and let someone with at least half a clue lead the party

Was Ruth Smeeth the only labour MP there

Considering Jeremy has the backing of very very few I am sure there was someone else he could have called out or even done it at a different time you know when the subject isn't so sensitive but no when feelings run that deep he didn't care about her feelings at this particular press conference

But carry on with the let's ignore antisemitism unless it's so obvious we can't it's something Jeremy is certainly good at I shall give him that