to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

"MPs should reflect on who they represent and who pays to fund the Party"

MPs represent their constituents! the members and unions pay but to actually get into office the leader and their team need to appeal more widely.

To get into office, Labour needs broad appeal - unions who provide funds and help deliver votes, the electorate, AND grassroots activists who do the work on the ground especially at election time.

This mess is not Corbyn's making. I'm sickened that they've launched this coup now, of all times. It's opportunistic, selfish, disgusting, reprehensible. They're using this oportunity to get rid of a leader they dislike. Putting their own plastic Blairbot careers ahead of the good of the party and ultimately the country.

How can Corbyn call out the mendacity of Johnson et al when his team have all resigned and are knifing him in the chest? What's he supposed to do?

The one thing this country desperately needs right now is an opposition who have the will and the decency to put aside differences, form a broad coalition with the Greens etc, and stick the boot in to the Tories, UKIP, and the Leave campaign.

It's a golden chance to win back some electoral ground. And what are they doing? Tearing down Corbyn instead.

I could fucking weep. Give me an electable English version of Podemos, fronted by someone who can connect with the dissillusioned non-racist poor people in this country who voted Leave, and the Labour party can all go fuck themselves, afaic.

Corbyn doesn't have the creativity or leadership skills to form a broad coalition.

Did no one else spot the plethora of socialist worker banners in that demo tonight? It was like Camden tube station in the mid eighties. Of course lots of people there will have been genuine supporters if the Labour party, but there will have been other agendas.

Angela Eagle interviewed by John Pienaar was practically in tears about how the people who really need a competent Labour party are being let down because they are not electable. She was gutted and clearly didn't resign lightly.

Some of you have drink the cool aid. He needs to go because he will never win. If Labour are unelectable the Tories will be in power forever. That's pretty much the size of the conspiracy. There isn't one.

See Jeremy look at Roy. He was crap and resigned. Please please go while the Labour Party in ITU and not the mourtary.

The Labour party splitting is the very, very last thing that this country needs right now. I don't give a toss who leads it ultimately, as long as it's someone progressive and electable. But it's obvious that now is not the time to decide it.

Now is completely the time. There could be an election sooner than predicted and labour with Jeremy is unelectable.

Jeremy let the Remain side down. He refused interviews, refused TVs debates, refused to be on the same platform as Cameron. He may be principled but when you're the leader of the opposition you sometimes have to think of the bigger picture. He seems incapable of doing that.

I've never voted labour but would do so to get rid of Boris Johnson. I won't vote for them while Jeremy C is leader.

They are trying to get rid of him, so presumably they don't, as elected MPs, think they have a chance of being elected with him as leader. Seems logical.

If scotland remains staunchly SNP and to the left of England so Labour can't get the seats then a strategy for Labour would need to seek Tory / UKIP votes.

If you want labour in power then he has to go. I'm a Tory and know too well when you listen to your members rather than the public you end up in opposition.

Agree Madamede.

www.thecanary.co/2016/06/27/blairites-attack-elected-leader-conservatives-getting-away-absolute-murder/

And I think you're wrong OhStacey.

By the way, how are you feeling about your Tory party now?

No, they could easily have done this in October, when the Tories have their leadership election, and it would have been a lot less damaging to the party.

Of course there isn't going to be an election any time soon. Cameron has no right or intention to call an election. It certainly won't / can't be called until the new Tory leader is in place.

If Labour supporters think this is the priority their party should be occupying itself with right now, I just despair.

It is making them look like a divided, inward-looking, unelectable bunch of idiots who are in total disarray. Who would put their faith in a group like that, which can't even get it together to hold the Leave campaign and Cameron to account after all the gross lies of the campaign and the idiocy of calling the referendum in the first place?

No - he has to go and the sooner the better.

How can he hold the Leave campaign to account when everyone knows he secretly supported it? It's appalling that his own office was sabotaging Labour In. Not turning up to meetings and editing campaign material so it was an attack on the Tories and not giving reasons to Vote Remain.

A lot of his supporters at grassroots level are the £3 late arrivals, including Tories and the Socialist Worker brigade, who actually refused to help, saying it was 'a Tory referendum'. Even the genuine ones who hoped for a more left-wing platform, as in the SNP, are disappointed in his performance as leader.

To win, he has to appeal to the middle ground who voted Tory in the last election as well as the disenchanted Labour voters who turned to UKIP.
He's never going to win over the former while behaving like a parody of a loony lefty in a Lenin cap, like a perpetual student who's never grown up. And someone who believes in open borders and unlimited immigration is hardly going to go down well with defectors to UKIP.

I didn't vote for him but I wanted to give him a chance, hoped he'd lead an effective opposition who could get Labour back in power to help the people he professes to care about.

Now I can't stand the sight of him.

Yabu. If Corbyb wated a leave vote he should have come out for it. He didn't. He endorsed remain, but in such a shitty, lacklustre way that he completely failed to get the message out. I absolutely blame him for the mess we're in, he approached the issue like a backbencher and not a leader.

Yabu. 'Nice' and 'principled' doesn't equate to 'leader'. He's weak and the Labour Party are unelectable. Had he provided a strong leadership and campaigned hard for Remain, large swathes of northern Labour heartland may have voted so differently. He needs to take some responsibility for the result. But even without the referendum, he made Labour unelectable.

Diane Abbott on the radio this morning was saying that "the party" not MPs should decide who leads and said they were being "westminster centric". Seemed totally out of touch with the MP team in Parliament and the actual UK electorate.

Yes - I heard her. Sooo patronising. If anyone's in a bubble, it's Corbyn and his team.

tiggy I agree broad appeal goes beyond unions and activists. However I don't think labelling 35% of your own voters and the 15% of the entire electorate who voted UKIP, many of whom would naturally be within the Labour family, as practically untouchables is at all helpful.. The message I am hearing from the PLP at the moment is that they wish to disregard the voice of 17million people who want change while seeking to appeal to the 7 million or so Tory voters who voted remain but have absolutely zero interest in Labour values, whatever they are these days.

I said "the electorate" in the middle there tiggytape, I guess you missed that bit.

So people really are starting to blaming Corbyn for this whole mess instead of the people who are actually to blame. Genius.

Scapegoating is why we got a Leave vote in the first place. Please save your ire for the Tories and the Leave campaign.

i've been a Labour party member/supporters for years and am not a Corbyn supporter - it is easy to spout nice socialist thoughts without a clue how to put it into action.
i'd rather someone half as left wing as him actually got into power and proceeded to do something than he sit on his moral high ground while the rest of the country goes down the pan.
sure a majority of (new members of )the labour party supported him but this doesn't represent a majority of the country. He seems to have an arrogance about his views which stops him thinking pragmatically. His behaviour in the Referendum was disgraceful - he needed to stand up and say that yes life was shit for the unskilled working class now but it wasn't caused by the EU and that there are problems with the EU but nothing compared to the problems without it.

I am not sure whether I think he wanted the UK to vote Leave and this was his cynical approach to doing that or his ability to motivate just doesn't exist. It is shocking that there was a significant turn out from the "labour heartlands" and this did not reflect in support for the labour backed stay campaign

No problem tiggytape. Please do me a favour and read this if you have time:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/eu-referendum-working-class-revolt-grieve

"A new, more rightwing Conservative administration seems inevitable: it will undoubtedly pursue a new election, hopefully when Labour is in as divided and chaotic a state as possible."

"If the left has a future in Britain, it must confront its own cultural and political disconnect with the lives and communities of working-class people. It must prepare for how it responds to a renewed offensive by an ascendant Tory right."

And this, published in the Telegraph two weeks ago:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/labour-rebels-hope-to-topple-jeremy-corbyn-in-24-hour-blitz-afte/

If they want to replace Corbyn for someone more electable, fine, do it - the sooner the better now this whole Labour mess is dominating the news agenda, instead of pertinent question-asking of Cameron and Leave.

But they'd better make sure they can find someone who can unify the party and reconnect with working-class voters. Or we're all fucked.

17 million people wanted change- but they were sold a line that change meant leaving the EU- the change needed to come in the uk and no-one told them/sold them that.