to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

But his views on those issues are never heard because he hasnt got the skills necessary to make them heard. He can hold all the views he likes on those subjects, if he never gets to power then yes it is student politics.

the media give him very little time or profile (except when he isn;t singing GSTQ)

I'd like to think that anyone in the Labour Party would share those concerns.

Neo liberal Blairites who the press seem determined to have oust Corbyn?

It is no good blaming the media. That is the territory he has to operate in; and wishing it was different is a waste of time. They would report on him if he did anything newsworthy.

The job of the leader of the Labour Party is to help to devise a policy, then sell it to the electorate as a whole, and inspire them to vote for that party; not just pander to the activists.
He should have built a broad church of advisors; surrounded himself with spin doctors with low guile and cunning; and worked out what aspects of his personality and beliefs would beguile even non-Labour supporters. Even being less geography teacher and more firebrand would help; even if he cannot do the charisma of a Barack Obama. Also hire some better speechwriters so that he says things that are vaguely memorable.

Currently you get the impression he is happier being a backbench MP, than potential PM. It is like he wants the Tories to win, which given the shower we have presently, is a disaster for the country

Absolutely agree with the above. If he can't deal with the media then he isn't up to the job. And not singing GSTQ was an absolute example of his disregard for the most vulnerable in society. How dare he play around with such an utterly meaningless issue whilst the Tories make cuts left right and centre. Some sections of the Labour party seem to think this is a a debating society, it is people's lives.

Neo liberal Blairites who the press seem determined to have oust Corbyn?

Yes, even the 'neo liberal blarites' FFS.

This is the problem - when you see most of your own party as the enemy, the media as the enemy, anyone who doesn't completely share your view of the world as the enemy (and yet of course, it's all about 'solidarity').

If you actually truly give a shit about people on zero hour contracts (and not just lofty principles about them), you start doing something which might actually change their lives.

One of the things I most admired about Jo Cox is that she worked really closely with Andrew Mitchell (a Tory MP, shock!) as they shared similar perspectives on Syria - recognising that despite differences of opinion elsewhere they were stronger working together. THAT is how you combine passion for principles with the pragmatism to make change happen.

(And justicewoman - well said)

As I said on the other thread, Jo Cox was a Blairite.

Oh FFS. Jo Cox was a Blairite? Does that invalidate my point? No lessons to be learned here, she was an evil Blairite.

He is standing by whilst the whole country is plunged into economic and political turmoil. He failed to back the stronger in campaign, he failed to engage effectively with the traditional labour voters about the benefits of EU membership. Poor, working class communities have voted to literally bite the hand that feeds them, to choose economic uncertainty, political isolation and recession on the back of lies spun to them by a far right elite.

He should be howling in protest that the leave campaign has lied and lied and lied. He should be pointing at the Tories saying they have created a monster and don't know what to do with it. He is doing none of this. He is not up to the job. He must go.

It is so depressing how so many people do not get that in order to make a difference you have to get elected. That means appealing to more than the activists.
A glaring lesson from the Referendum is that a lot of voters bought the simple slogans, chanted as mantras about "Taking back control" and "£350 million a week", even if they were rubbish.
If Corbyn had had an ounce of political nouse he would have been banging on for weeks that the Brexiters hadnt got a plan for the days and weeks after leaving; devising a catchy slogan about it and got all the remain labour lot to chant it at all opportunities.
You may dislike soundbite politics but it works. So the activists have to decide - do you want purity or power?

Who are they planning to replace him with. Surely not Burnham, a plastic Scouser who wants to be Mayor of Manchester, no bloody chance.

YANBU.

And I also agree with you Giddy.

I was glad when he won the leadership but he's been totally ineffective as a leader and he'll never be elected PM. He needs to go.

Labour needs someone electable - it's not him.

Well said justicewoman and Yorkshire He's not up to it. Tbh as far as I can see there is no leadership of the Labour party at the moment but it will be a god almighty mess when the PLP say Corbyn's not up to it and the £3 members insist that he stays.

If he had any integrity he would resign before the party explodes. If he had any integrity he would have stepped aside and let someone who truly believed in the agreed party policy to lead the Remain campaign instead of half heartedly engaging with something he doesn't believe

Jilly words fail me.

it will be a god almighty mess when the PLP say Corbyn's not up to it and the £3 members insist that he stays.

I'm not a member but after watching the slow motion car crash of Corbyn's leadership I will happily pay £3 to vote for any half decent alternative candidate. I hope that there enough people in a similar position, or who voted for Corbyn in the first place but have seen how thoroughly ineffective he is.

Corbyn had had an ounce of political nouse he would have been banging on for weeks that the Brexiters hadnt got a plan for the days and weeks after leaving; devising a catchy slogan about it and got all the remain labour lot to chant it at all opportunities.
You do know it's not the party leader who devises slogans or publicises them? It's the policy team; the campaigns team and the marcom team. If you genuinely think a well publicised pithy slogan would have changed the outcome then the labour party has much bigger problems than its leadership.

Traditionally the left were anti-EU because the EU represents business interests that are usually at odds with workers' rights. TTIP is a perfect example of the type of policy traditional Labour voters would expect their party to vote against yet they were too busy calling leave voters racist to actually address the left-wing and internationalist concerns about Europe. There is a massive opportunity for the left to rally and influence Brexit negotiations but only if they realise where they went wrong.

What? It's a simple fact. She was a wonderful MP, seen as a future leader of the party, highly regarded by her colleagues. My point is that she didn't have horns and a tail because she was a centre-right moderniser.

I'm confused by the Labour people backing Corbyn. His group "Momentum" refused to campaign for Remain but is now campaigning for him to stay as leader. So they are also pro Leave? Why are they pretending to be pro Remain?

The parliamentary labour party and the BBC at least have just been looking for an excuse to get rid of Corbyn from the start.

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/news-agenda-set/

Whatever Corbyn said in respect of Remain was just reported by the media, whereas every single word of the Farage and the Tories, both Remain and Brexit were reported in detail. I'm not in favor or against Corbyn just disgusted at the manipulation by the media.

Labour lost the whole of Scotland bar one MP who has done nothing but side with the Blairites. They have now lost 52+% of the English and Welsh population who do not share their views on the EU. JC's constituency voted remain in line with his steer for remain and reform. The Blairites now want to unite behind Margaret Hodge whose constituency voted for Brexit. Stephen Kinnock may be on the same page as his Dad but Hilary Benn not so much.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/meet-the-next-leader-of-the-labour-party-sorry-jeremy-corbyn/

You do know it's not the party leader who devises slogans or publicises them? It's the policy team; the campaigns team and the marcom team. If you genuinely think a well publicised pithy slogan would have changed the outcome then the labour party has much bigger problems than its leadership.

The party leader's role include getting the key messages out in a way that the electorate understands and responds to. So it is Jeremy Corbyn's job and he is failing in that area.

The fact that so many Labour Party activists don't get that worries me hugely. It feels like too many just enjoy an internal squabble for dominance of the party and are not bothered about the wider electorate at all.

TTIP will be important in due course but the priority now is going to be imminent price inflation caused by massive financial instability; the total end of inward investment for at least 2 years; the break up of the UK and the fact that this bunch of incompetents who won the Brexit argument have not got a plan on how to undertake the technicalities of what they have led us into.

So if Jeremy Corbyn is on anything other than an ego-trip, he needs to step up and present a realistic and clearly understood plan which shows the electorate he could run the country ASAP

JC has always been anti EU so it is his party who has the problem. They should be resigning, not him.

Interesting article howto - she definitely sounds promising, I'll be interested in finding out more about her

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Remain was official party policy; as leader he should have led on it, or resigned

This is from an article in the Guardian today
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-must-resign-inadequate-leader-betrayal?CMP=twt_gu

"Corbyn’s job was to execute the decisions taken by the shadow cabinet, in the PLP, where over 200 of our MPs backed the remain campaign, by the trade unions, and at annual conference, which voted to back the remain position. He himself issued a note to all MPs on 17 September 2015 telling them that Labour would campaign to remain in the European Union. And yet he decided to go on holiday in the middle of the campaign. He did not visit the Labour heartlands of the north-east and instead raised esoteric issues such as TTIP which had no resonance on the doorstep."

jilly in isolation it sounded like you were using the term 'Blairite' as a slur on Jo Cox.