to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

Not a Labour supporter or a particular fan of Corbyn but I found his matter of fact pragmatic support of Remain far more convincing than any of the hyperbole from other campaigners on both sides. That includes the 7.5 out of 10 he gave the EU - because that's what I gave it.

Sorry bubbins - far from it

MPs of the Labour party have been going after him since he was elected, I think if this was someone else that they preferred they wouldn't be doing this.

I heard Corbyn speak on his views of EU, I believe part of him did want to remain but not for the same reasons as the Tory Remain campaign. But I also believe that he had serious reservations about the TTIP and I'm not sure other members of the Labour party had the same reservations.

I voted remain but the TTIP was the only thing which made me seriously think about voting out.

If Corbyn is ousted, I hope he reruns and I hope he wins the Labour leader election again. There is something rotten in the Labour Party and it's not him.

MPs have been deeply unhappy with him as leader, yes, but that's not because they don't like his face - it's because they know he would never win an election.

Most MPs keep thinking they know what the population wants, the past week has shown that they have no clue.

I think if he runs and wins the Labour Party may split, and it has now got to such a state, that this is my favoured outcome.

No, Captain - it's shown that Corbyn deliberately failed the party, its voters and the whole fucking country. This is worth a read.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-must-resign-inadequate-leader-betrayal

As I said elsewhere, he cares about moving the party to the left. That's it. Not about women, not about Jews, not about winning elections, but only about that.

If that was all he cared about then he would have declared himself on the Leave side and campaigned on an internationalist, anti-capitalist, anti-TTIP agenda. But he didn't.

However the agenda of those trying to oust him is blatantly obvious. But they're not going to win anything until they start representing voters rather than lecturing them. And if Brexit wasn't enough to prompt some introspection then nothing is.

Corbyn is much more likely to lecture voters than the moderate Lab MP's.

He never compromises or negotiates. He says what he thinks and then sits back with his arms folded.

The main plank on the Leave campaign's platform was anti-Immigration and taking control of our borders. Corbyn believes in open borders and no immigration controls. Can't see that going down too well. Especially with disaffected working-class former Labour voters in the North.

And the worrying part is that, even now, they are still exhibiting the same approach, which means all those middle England Labour voters who opted to vote Leave do not have a party that represents them and, even more worryingly, that means there is no effective opposition to temper the Conservative's right-wing tendencies and influence the leave negotiations.

This ^^

7 out of 10 labour voters went Remain. It seems a huge risk to ignore them. If Labour go clamouring to the towards the anti immigration sentiments then they will loose support elsewhere, I certainly wouldn't vote for them, and I say this as a lifelong labour voter.

Also I'm sickened by how the flouncing going on, so much is being said about how out of touch they have become with the electorate, yet they are happy to ignore that Labour members voted overwhelmingly for Corbin.

There's a very real possibility of an election coming sooner than we think, I hope a party left of centre can get its shit together before we hand this country over Farage and his elite cronies.

Winnie I am think he did want the leave vote to win in the hope that, in the long term, it will prove easier to shift the party to the left if it is outside the EU. However Labour policy was to campaign to remain. In other words, he is playing internal party politics with the country's future in the same way as Cameron did. Personally, I wouldn't trust JC an inch and as a floating voter, I certainly wouldn't vote for him or his party.

Agree with you Captain.

There is something rotten in the Labour party and it's not Jeremy Corbyn.

I think he made his position on the EU perfectly clear. It was 7/10 to Remain. He acknowledged the difficulties inherent in being part of the EU but maintained, time and time again, that we were better off in in his opinion.

However the people have spoken and the majority wanted out. Now Labour MPs are throwing their toys out of the pram because their leader couldn't bend the people to their will

It was up to every adult who chose to vote in the referendum to do their research and vote according to their beliefs and in regard to what they felt was best for their family and community.

It is not Jeremy Corbyn's fault that Cornwall and Wales are waking up to the fact that by voting out of the EU they have now lost EU subsidy which kept their communities afloat. This was information which could be easily found with a little reading and googling. It is not JC's fault that the Daily Mail came out with a front page exhorting middle England to leave the EU.

I truly think Jeremy Corbyn is being a scapegoat for the failures of Labour past and Tory present to speak for the disaffected in so many areas of rural England. Oh and the outright lies and spin perpetrated by Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage

I think Corbyn would be a disaster as PM, esp in a post brexit world. He's just too idealistic and sadly the rest of the world isn't that nice.

I think he is a very honourable decent man, but I would not want to live in a britain where he was in charge.

Or yes, that Michael Gove was able to use the Daily Mail as a platform to encourage middle England to vote Leave... through his wife's stooge's regular column

So much for a free and independent press... and I know that is only the tip of the issue with the right wing Murdoch owned media we have in this country - indy100.independent.co.uk/article/this-terrifying-rupert-murdoch-quote-is-possibly-the-best-reason-to-stay-in-the-eu-yet--WyMaFTE890x

People need to do a little digging and not rely on the newspapers and media channels to give them unbiased news. Hence the rise of forums such as twitter and independent press

YANBU! It was never corbyn's fight! He had to take a side and no labour leader in those right mind would side with boris and the other smug wanker! He never proposed the the referendum, he was going with what he thought was best for the party (because it's the working class which are going to be hit the hardest now). He also had the largest mandate a labour leader has ever had. They need to get the blairites out and reshuffle. One man cannot run the Labour Party without good support.

Why not scared?

The 'big personalities' do not necessarily have the answers you know. Still waiting to hear anything of substance from Boris.

Jeremy Corbyn is decent and principled. Now he needs a good team of people around him who have expertise and are able to offer sound advice. And listen to the people and actually follow through on election policies. Or if something can't be done, they need to explain why it can't be done.

And admit when there are no easy soundbites or answers, like being 7/10 in favour of something rather than it will all be great and we will give that £350 million back to the NHS, oh no wait we won't that was a mistake actually

I think Labour should split. They're just trying to cover too much ground and it can't work.

Corbyn can move over to the left. He'll never get to be PM but at least someone will be representing those people. Then the RW of the Labour party and the LW of the Cons can have a coalition (which could get a long term majority IMO) and then the RW of the Cons/ UKIP people can also stay over on the right being unelectabe. I hate saying Blair was right but he did keep the party electable- he judged majority view well. When he left successive leaders have seen the solution as moving left. With Scotland now effectively gone (SNP), and England being a structural Tory majority, they've got to face facts.

I do feel a bit sorry for jeremy. All those people voted for him because he was a conviction politician and then said "Jeremy, you need to support Remain" even though everyone knows he's a eurosceptic. No wonder he was a bit half arsed. he's not exactly known for his willingness to bend to the whip is he?

Can't stand the man. He seems very vain and thin skinned and I imagine spiteful too.

Of labour want to loose even more voters to the tories and UKIP by all means keep him in post

What a bloody disaster though for a Nobel and once fantastic party.

The reason so many seats were lost to the SNP was because labour wasn't far enough to the left under Miliband!

The fact that we now seem to have an even less credible alternative to the conservatives to vote for than we did a year ago is so depressing.

Wonder if Labour can pull themselves together in time for the next GA? (whenever that might be).

Good god Emily Thornberry a woman so inept and dim that she tweeted a piss take of a voters house and Dianne Abbott the biggest hypocrite and chancer either side of the ridiculous and totally unelectable Corbyn.

I weep for the Labour Party. Wilderness years ahead

The reason so many seats were lost to the SNP was because labour wasn't far enough to the left under Miliband!

That doesnt really make sense. If that were the case they'd not have voted for Blair or for Brown. They turned away from Labour in 2015 because of Labour's failure to support Scottish independence, surely?

People do change their political preferences!

The reason so many seats were lost to the SNP was because labour wasn't far enough to the left under Miliband!

I am Scottish and in Scotland and I agree with this. The LP was offering austerity light and the SNP were offering fiscal expansion.

There was a Blair effect because the first act of the first Blair government was to secure Scottish devolution. However Labour in Holyrood were very much seen to be patys for the Westminster LP (eg introducing student fees). This led to the first SNP majority in Holyrood despite them having to shed the "Tartan Tory" reputation. The SNP now includes a vast swathe of ex Labour Scottish politicians securing their more left wing agenda.

The LP in Scotland is still struggling with its Blairite past. eg Kezia is pro Trident but the rank and file are anti as are the SNP.

I think, referendums aside, Scottish Independence is not that relevant to how people vote, outside the 35% who always were and always will be pro-inde.