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to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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teaandcake789 · 24/06/2016 14:18

So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

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iisme · 27/06/2016 10:38

I'm so, so angry with the Labour party. We are in a time of constitutional crisis and they seem to be viewing it as a useful opportunity for furthering their own party politics.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/06/2016 10:45

Corbyn is exactly what Benn said: a decent, honourable guy. He's just not a leader. The people like what he says, as I do, but he doesn't have the leadership qualities necessary to do the job effectively. Even allowing for his own personal doubts, he was very lacklustre in the Remain campaign and the time for him to really come forth was immediately after the result. But he was nowhere.

Labour are, in my opinion, in a very difficult place. They have now twice picked the wrong leader. They picked the wrong Millband and should have chosen Andy Burnham last time. They cannot afford to get it wrong a third time. This country needs strong effective opposition - more than ever, if as suspected, either Boris or May get in - and firm outspoken leadership in this time of uncertainty. We're not seeing that.

howabout · 27/06/2016 10:47

Very interesting. Seen 2 Union spokespeople on the TV and they were both very pro JC and highly critical of the PLP revolters. So looks like membership and Unions vs MPs - I think MPs should reflect on who they represent and who pays to fund the Party.

Savemefromwine · 27/06/2016 11:07

The reason labour have lost ground to ukip and to the snp is that neither Ed or Jeremy are credible leaders.

It has bugger all to do with the electorate hankering after the left they just need a leader who looks like they have a sodding clue and can appear to represent Britain on the world stage. Nicola obviously is a class act the men weren't.

anonacfr · 27/06/2016 11:20

I have friends who work for the LP on a regional level and they are not impressed with Corbyn.
They find him very divisive and unwilling to listen to anyone who has any NL tendencies. He's very much 'us against them' within his own party.

anonacfr · 27/06/2016 11:21

The conclusion was 'a critic not a leader".

OldManJenkins · 27/06/2016 11:23

Well I lI've in islington and there were remain campaigners on every Street corner giving out stickers and pens and trying to convince people to vote remain

KeyserSophie · 27/06/2016 11:46

But that's preaching to the choir- you could tell Islington voters they'd get doused in dog shit every day if they voted Remain and they'd still do it. He needed to get out into the rural and old industrial areas

tilder · 27/06/2016 12:05

I don't get the 'decent, honourable guy' image for Corbyn.

I find him smug, self satisfied and 'i'm right'. Yes he was voted for by the PLP. Which is democratic. It is also pretty left wing and not representative of the majority of the country. Making him a fringe party leader, same as any leader who only appeals to a relatively small percentage of the electorate.

So Corbyn is left fighting the left wing agenda (although not very loudly), while failing to reach out to those on the more moderate left. Am sure his conscience is clear, but he will never win an election.

To win an election you need broader appeal.

Corbyn seems to find that concept distasteful. I appreciate that this means he has principles. It unfortunately also means he will keep labour in the fringes of politics and not in the centre stage.

Asprilla11 · 27/06/2016 12:12

Corbyn is exactly what Benn said: a decent, honourable guy.

I agree, but unfortunately many of the current MP's don't want him as leader at all and in some ways they are right. He probably doesn't have the swagger and slight arogrance that is needed for a leader.

He does have the right principles and vision for the party though, which sadly the MP's who have resigned don't.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/06/2016 12:32

I may be wrong, but it looks to me as if he's fighting harder to stay on as leader than he did to keep us in the EU. I know he says he has a mandate because the rank and file voted for him, but you just can't keep going if half your party won't serve alongside you because they are convinced they stand no chance of winning an election. Some of the people he's promoted today to replace all those who resigned yesterday are hopeless.

At least Thatcher saw the writing on the wall and went when half her cabinet said she should for the good of the party.

Valentine2 · 27/06/2016 12:35

I joined Labour only because of him. (Not him but his principle). I would leave if he goes.

SeaWitchly · 27/06/2016 14:39

Thin skinned? Hmm

I hardly think so considering that he gets a raw deal from most of the media in this country calling him inept, etc. But still he keeps going and winning support from the grassroots of the Labour party and the unions.
And speaks the most reason out of all the prominent politicians in this whole brexit debacle... when he is given the platform to do so.

Spiteful? He had to get rid of Hillary Benn, for gods sake the man was plotting a coup at the very time the country needs to see some stability from the Labour party!

And those who say they don't see him as a leader, well yes we've had the extremely charismatic, statesmanlike, right honourable Tony Blair in charge before and where did that get us... lead us right into a war on spurious claims.... and him into position as middle east peace envoy Hmm

lljkk · 27/06/2016 15:23

I quit Labour party because of Corbyn, :). Decided it wasn't a club for me.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/06/2016 15:36

SeaWitchly Actually what the country needs from the Labour party is leadership, vision, a strategy. I see none of those at the moment and clearly the vast majority of Corbyn's front bench team and helpers agree. And if Benn was plotting a coup - and he came out on Sunday and said he doesn't want to be leader - quite frankly he's been far more successful so far than Corbyn is being, as the latter can't keep pretty much ANY of his shadow cabinet or PPS with him! And Hodge and others called for him to go publicly before Benn chose to speak to Corbyn personally (far better).
Corbyn wouldn't even speak to one of his own team, Angela Eagle, who asked for a meeting with him! That simply isn't acceptable as a leader of a political party and if he can't control his party then how can you expect him to control the country if he won an election (which he wouldn't)?

JudyCoolibar · 27/06/2016 15:39

It's pretty ridiculous for Corbyn to contemplate leading the opposition at what is, on any interpretation, a massive crisis point for the country with a totally inexperienced shadow cabinet.

Thymeout · 27/06/2016 17:58

when he is given the platform to do so...

But he turns down platform after platform. Many journalists have complained about how reluctant he is to give interviews, even on a one to one basis. He refused to join the other parties in a united campaign. Ran one of his own, which didn't include the North East. He was surly with the press on his doorstep. Any prominent politician knows it's better to give a wave and a smile for the cameras.

At 6 a.m. on Friday, when everyone was clamouring for reassurance and a reaction from the LP, where was he? In bed. With his phone switched off. No one could get through to him. Even his own team.

He is a disaster.

Hillfarmer · 27/06/2016 18:06

Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU.

OP puts it best herself. It was patently obvious Corbyn's mouth was saying one thing on the Referendum, whilst his actions (or inactions) said another. It is hard to find attractive leadership qualities in a hypocrite.

Hillfarmer · 27/06/2016 18:08

And Seawitchly, just because Blair was bad doesn't mean Corbyn can't be bad also. They are not mutually exclusive options.

maggiethemagpie · 27/06/2016 18:31

I can't see how Corbyn can survive now. He needs to have some self respect and resign. If his own cabinet don't want him, it's time to go.

EatsShitAndLeaves · 27/06/2016 18:35

The fact whether you like it or not is that JC is unelectable.

So by all means continue to back him and thus another Conservative victory at the next General Election - in all probability with Boris Johnson or Theresa May as leader.

SeaWitchly · 27/06/2016 20:21

Well, he's got a heck of a lot of grassroots support.

www.thecanary.co/2016/06/26/corbyn-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-this-attempted-coup-the-blairites-are-committing-political-suicide/

www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

Even on that bastion of left wing liberal talk back radio station LBC caller after caller rang in to voice their support of Jeremy Corbyn.

So yeah, he's probably unelectable [ or definitely unelectable according to Rupert Murdoch owned or part owned 'unbiased' news media organisations such as Sky news and right wing conservative aligned Daily Mail] Hmm

Thymeout · 27/06/2016 21:13

I've read the list of Labour values on the Momentum website.

Do you seriously think there is a Labour MP who does not share those values? Plenty of others who would do a better job than Corbyn as leader.

It's not 'a small group of Blairites'. He's been told by the Dep Leader that he has lost the confidence of the overwhelming majority of the PLP. Collectively, they were elected by many more thousands than Corbyn's fan club. They know what their constituents are saying. Corbyn would not win a General Election. They also know more than we do about what Corbyn is like as a leader to work with. Even those previously loyal to him have had enough.

Corbyn has the lowest approval rating of any post war Labour leader. Even with the austerity measures and the cock-up Cameron has made of Brexit. He has to go, or Labour will be wiped out in the next election.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/06/2016 21:29

I agree that it is not about being more to the left or centre it's about having a leader that people have confidence in and feel they are being considered and listened to. People want to be given hope not the left stance often which is we know what's better for you patronising drivel

If it was about wanting a leader who was more left wing why have labour lost so many voters to UKIP

I also can't understand why people think he is such an honest man if he was he would be leader of the Socialist Labour Party and he lied throughout the referendum his supporters certainly are blinded by his pr spin of being a man of integrity

SeaWitchly · 27/06/2016 21:32

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keep-corbyn-protest-hundreds-gather-outside-parliament-in-support-of-labour-leader-a3282256.html

Well, he seems to have more support than those self serving MPs realised.