to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

Well, having resigned from Labour when Blair got rid of Clause 4 (showing clearly whose side he was on) I rejoined when Corbyn was elected Leader, as I could - at last - see someone with whose beliefs I was completely in agreement. If the Labour Party is mad enough to get rid of someone who was elected by 60% of members, I shall once more exit via the revolving door... and that'll be it.

If Corbyn is this enormously principled chap, and he is anti-EU then he should have had the courage of his convictions and said, as the leader of the Labour Party I cannot take an anti-EU stand. So what I will do, is quit as Leader and campaign for what I believe in- Brexit.

Instead he tried to have his cake and eat it too- stay leader and run a half arsed campaign. As a lifelong Labour voter I truly despair. Corbyn happily placed himself in a win-win situation. If Remain had won, Labour would be crowing. Since Leave won, he was off on TV talking about how positive it was all going to be. If you thought that, then why couldn't you simply come out and say so, and not be a politician like the rest of them?

Seamstress, hold that door, I'll be coming back out with you.
How bloody difficult is it to look at a map of the UK and figure out that the old industrial heartlands, home of the ILP, were the stronghold of the Leave vote? And that the metropolitan vote was Remain.
And still the MPs seem to think their 'message' isn't getting across.
They are representatives of the people not their teachers.
If people aren't with you, start listening.
Corbyn is listening, not shouting. When I was canvassing for Labour in May no Labour voter (in an area that voted Leave) said Corbyn was awful.
The PLP need a kick up the arse.
And copying the Tories by squabbling and manoeuvring amongst themselves is really failing to capitalise on the open goal of Tory disarray.

Corbyn likes being a critic of the status quo & keeping the status quo so he can be in his comfort zone of its main critic.

Corbyn doesn't really want radical change at all. This is why he's so ill-suited to leadership, he doesn't want to actually lead to anywhere else!!

I like Corbin and will vote Labour without qualm if he is still leader when the election comes. I don't know otherwise.

*Corbyn argh auto correct!

*To be honest, it means nothing when random people on the internet say "there's no way in he'll Corbyn will win the general election"

Last general election there was no way the Tories were going to have a majority.

LAST NIGHT there was no way leave was going to win.*

I stand by my assertion that there is no way in hell Corbyn will lead to the Labour Party to electoral victory. I wouldn't have said the same about the chances of a Tory majority or a Brexit vote, both of which seemed entirely plausible if not the most likely outcome.

And regardless, expectations matter. At risk of outing myself my line of work is connected to political planning, and basically NO ONE is making any plans that are based on the prospect of there being a Labour Government any time soon. This is in itself really unhelpful for Labour - if they don't look like a serious contender they are not treated as such which puts them at a huge disadvantage in terms of the people, ideas and resources that are available to them.

He is no leader. I wouldn't vote for Labour with him in charge and have voted for me all my life. I want to see a leader leading!

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We have an extremely right-wing press who are never going to show Corbyn in a positive light. He'd have to walk on water to get decent publicity. it's a little bit late for the admonition, but we maybe shouldnt swallow wholesale what the British press fetches up for us.

But I do think that maybe the leader of the opposition and his party need to generate some publicity themselves. (You know, on this new-fangled internet thingy) After all the mainstream media have less sway now than 20 years ago because of it, so it's a lack of, what? Not managing to catch the imagination? Not bothering to put stuff out there? Marketing skills?

Even his allies in the PLP are losing patience with him. McDonnell and Watson have been manoeuvring against him. He's been a disastrous leader.

The members who joined to support him in the leadership election are the descendants of the Trotskyite left who kept the party out of office during the Foot/Kinnock years. It's they who need to wake up and realise that elections are won by appealing to the middle ground because without their support you stay in the wilderness forever, powerless to make your ideals a reality.

"Labour will loose the election under Corbyn He is playing student politics whilst handing power to the conservatives."

"I like Corbyn and his politics but the fact is he is utterly ineffective as a leader of the opposition. His appointment, along with Ed before him, was as much a part of the result yesterday as the one Cameron played."

I agree with these. He's a fuck useless leader and let the labour party and its voters down very badly during the referendum. The people who have most to lose have voted leave and he has not stood by them.

What are you talking about Thyme? Trotskyites? Don't be ridiculous.
Corbyn was being arrested for demonstrating against apartheid while Cameron Snr was investing there.
Are all apartheid opponents Trotskyites?

What's the connection between Trotskyites and apartheid?

Everyone in the LP and many Lib Dems demonstrated against apartheid.

I'm talking about Militant Tendency and the Socialist Worker brigade.

Either Corbyn is totally useless or he's a truly devious bastard who hopes to pose as the only leader who can reunite the nation at the next election. I can't make up my mind which it is.

The members who joined to support him in the leadership election are the descendants of the Trotskyite left who kept the party out of office during the Foot/Kinnock years

Your connection. I have broadly agreed with Corbyn over the years. Particularly on apartheid. I am not a Trotskyite. My ancestors weren't Trotskyite.

Loving the idea that Labour need a smart suited Blairite to engage with the disgruntled working classes and reunite the nation.

Whoever Labour leader is will get character asassinated by the press. As the referendum shows its Daily Mail editorials and Sun headlines than win votes.

the referendum shows its Daily Mail editorials and Sun headlines than win votes.
Except it doesn't show that at all and it's that dismissiveness that has helped to create the 'them/us' divide. Until the Labour Party starts listening rather than lecturing, it won't get to lead. It hasn't adapted to the fact we are in a post-Blair era.And, the entire country is suffering from the vacuum that has created.

"Labour will loose the election under Corbyn. He is playing student politics whilst handing power to the conservatives."

THIS.

*lose, though

it is the press and right wing politicians that peddle the "them/us" narrative. Hence the immigration issue.

"Labour will loose the election under Corbyn. He is playing student politics whilst handing power to the conservatives."

concerns about low pay, poverty and zero hour contrats are "student politics?"

concerns about low pay, poverty and zero hour contrats are "student politics?

I'd like to think that anyone in the Labour Party would share those concerns.

The student politics stuff to me is protecting your principles at the expense of actually achieving anything. Principles are great but a lot of politics is the art of compromise.

And on the one hand it's fine to share a platform with Hezbollah, but sharing a platform with a Conservative (for the sake of the Stronger In campaign) would be beyond the pale. WTF!

But his views on those issues are never heard because he hasnt got the skills necessary to make them heard. He can hold all the views he likes on those subjects, if he never gets to power then yes it is student politics.