to think mp's havent got a clue (Corbyn no confidence vote)

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So 2 MO's have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn and many others are thought to support it because he didn't campaign Remain hard enough.
I'm shocked and disgusted that the MP's think this is for the best and what our country wants. Corbyn most likely didn't campaign as hard has he could because he still had serious doubts over the EU. If anything I think he is the best person to lead this country into independence but he's going to be kicked out next week because the MP's think his face doesn't fit. They've been waiting 9 months to find any excuse to oust him really.
What's happening to our country today? I'm off to look at rightmove overseas.........

Yet again, we fall over in front of an open goal. And fail to listen to our grassroots/core vote.

You couldn't make it up.

I am almost of a mind that the Tories have planted sleeper agents in our ranks.

howabout - there's not a chance in hell that JC will win an election for Labour, although as you say it's not as though there is an obvious candidate waiting in the wings with the unifying vision that would.

There's a school of thought which is 'get JC out now, give ourselves at least some chance at winning, or at least holding our own', or a school of thought which is 'accept that we're going to have the stick with Corbyn in the short term and effectively sit any early election out'

Corbyn will have voted to leave in the polling booth- he's been a lifelong opponent of the EU. He could have led a positive leave campaign based on his socialist values but didn't have the courage of his convictions. He absolutely has to go - just think of how different his career could have been.

I like Corbyn policies but I agree he needs to go, he has not got that mainstream appeal sadly. I am a Labour supporter and I voted for Andy Burnham in the leadership contest, but its another sign of the public going against the elite.

I have a lot of respect for Corbyn but I don't think he's the right leader for the Labour party at the moment. We really do need an effective leader of the opposition more than ever at this time.

Tbh none of the pre-2015 labour MPs has really shown themselves as a future prospect for the leadership (including either of the Milibands in my view. Just too formulaic, though I'm sure they are very nice people and probably mean well.) Fingers crossed that one of the newer ones really shines out soon, there's some promising starts there, especially among the women.

I think he is the right leader for Labour at present - they are still in an ungodly internal mess, unclear on their purpose or constituency. They need a caretaker leader, and that's what they have. Only when a faction is sufficiently self-aware and organised to make a bid for leadership should that change.

And he is in touch with the electorate it seems. His speeches were clear that the EU has given many benefits but also requires reform. I.e. of all of them he was the one giving an actual, accurate analysis and letting people know what they would be voting for. Rather than claiming a world of rainbows and fairy dust.

In any case, we now essentially have the two main parties in England committing very public ritual suicide/self-destruction. Which is, of course, going to give us the stability we need to concentrate on the upcoming trade talks with the rather pissed off EU.

"I like Corbyn's policies" - really, Rebecca? Because he hasn't actually announced any since becoming leader.

But whatever the views, personality, beliefs, the leader of the opposition does need to actually oppose, or the party in power just does what they feel like.

As a congenital Labourite (tis a hanging offence to vote therwise in our neck of the woods) Corbyn has been a huge disappointment in theis.

Where was he? What did he say? What did he contribute? Nothing. To be honest, I forgot he even existed. I cannot remember his speeches, not the content, but that they even occurred in the first place.

The only succour I have is that UKIP are now no longer a viable party - they have served their purpose and, had we Remained, they may have been a far more credible threat in the next GE.

Maybe both Tories and Labour will give themselves a strong talking to and rmember that the UK is not England and that England is not London. We may yet be able to retrieve some proper party politics from all this hissy fitting!

Like him or loathe him at least Cameron did the honourable thing. Corbyn has a privileged position as leader of the opposition, and as a supporter of remain he should have set aside (even temporarily) narrow ideologies and lobbied hard for this. He didn't. He should be held to account for that.

He might be an honest, genuine, nice bloke, but he is not a leader.

I don't want that slimeball Stephen Kinnock to take over.

To be honest, it means nothing when random people on the internet say "there's no way in he'll Corbyn will win the general election"

Last general election there was no way the Tories were going to have a majority.

LAST NIGHT there was no way leave was going to win.

People and there opinions, even widely held opinions, can be, and very often are, wrong.

*their opinions

OK BuggerLumps. What would you like us to do/say when we are discussing what we think/feel about politics of any kind - or any other subject matter?

We are exchanging opinions... that is the whole point of a forum, isn't it? If you think it is pointless then, erm....

I was always under the impression that Corbyn was anti-EU before - so it's no wonder really he didn't seem to try very hard to convince people to vote remain. At least Cameron had the decency to step down, I doubt Corbyn will follow likewise.

It's not just randoms on the internet though is it. There should be a massive swing to Labour at the moment but there is no evidence of that. We can only go by results of local council elections and that was not indicating a Labour win anytime soon.

But it's not expressing an opinion when you say it like fact is it? For it to be expressing and opinion,you would say something along the lines of "in my opinion/ I think that Jeremy Corbyn won't win the next election"

When a person says "there's no way in hell Jeremy Corbyn will win a general election" that's expressing it as fact. Obviously.

Well, party membership has been rising today. But the right wing press arn't going to make a big deal about that, are they 😜

YANBU

globalisation and capitalism cause the problems for working people.

And yet some are calling for a free market championing Blairite to lead the Labour party?

Clueless, absolutely bloody clueless.

That would be really cumbersome, BuggerLumps, in my opinion, of course!

And, again in my opinion, you need to add your opinion to your posts... or you are stating your opinion as fact!

Is party membership increasing? I hadn't read that, as fact or opinion!

He just seems incompetent.

The Momentum site seems to have crashed with the number of people signing a petition for him to stay.

But those people aren't enough to turn into real wins in a general election. Party membership always increases after an election, my dh has just joined the Lib dems in protest, doesn't mean anything.