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To think if you want to get rid of David Cameron, vote Leave.

217 replies

NotnowNigel · 16/04/2016 11:31

Ken Clarke has said that "David Cameron won't last 30 seconds if the country votes leave".

That will plunge the Tories into civil war in the party. George will probably take over et voila!

George will never win an election. He has all the charisma of a blocked sink.

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FirstWeTakeManhattan · 16/04/2016 21:55

I remain Confused about what I'm right about, but I'll just accept my rightness. Grin

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 16/04/2016 21:55

Justanotherlurker Maniac would blame the Tories for the weather

My cat died under the Tories.

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 21:56

Justanotherlurker Maniac would blame the Tories for the weather. No humour, no self awareness, no manners.no interest in anyone else's views. Take no notice.

Lol, really got your arse in your hands there.

howabout · 16/04/2016 21:58

All a bit hysterical in here Shock
Remain or leave I really don't think it makes much difference. The current EU structure is already being renegotiated behind the scenes.

Remain or leave DC has already caused too much damage to the cohesion of the Tory party for him to stay and heal the rift. He will be jettisoned because he has already submitted his resignation.

Lots of Scotsnet pondering Leave vote to make sure there are no more referendums. Scotland voted remain. The Smith commission has already hastened the inevitable and still the 45% want more. OTOH the election campaign here is exposing how interdependent we all are in reality anyway. The EU position is very similar imo

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 21:58

Don't expect a properly constructed argument or anything from Scarriff tonight, Manhattan. Toys are flying all over from that pram.

Itinerary · 16/04/2016 21:59

Maniac would blame the Tories for the weather

Do the Tories have a great track record on climate change? No, so they are indeed partly responsible for the weather Wink

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 21:59

We always had worse winters under the Tories.

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 22:01

The boiling hot summer of 76? Labour!
Denis Howell even made it rain when it all got too much.

silvermantela · 16/04/2016 22:35

This is insane troll logic.

Why would you decide how to vote on what is probably the biggest political issue of a generation solely on the basis that a man who has already publicly stated he will step down by 2020 might resign slightly earlier? Particularly as, if he does step down, the most likely candidates to step in for him until the election are even bigger twuntbuckets than the current incumbent?

How is that in any way a positive outcome?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

scarlets · 16/04/2016 22:44

That's not a good reason for voting Leave. David Cameron will step down voluntarily in c2018.

SpringingIntoAction · 16/04/2016 22:57

"Workers' rights in this country were mostly won by the trade union movement, not by the diktat of the EU."

Trade unions in the UK have lost much of their power. Most recent workers' rights have come from the EU. From the TUC:

The EU-derived rights outlined in the report include:

I see a lot of these 'facebook' style claim for the benefits that the EU has given us. Many are false claims seeking to laud the EU for workers protections that were won many years, centuries even, before the EU even existed and legislated for by UK Parliament!

The right to 20 days' paid annual leave a year.

In 1871, the Bank Holiday Act gave workers a few paid holidays each year - four new public holidays were introduced in England and Wales, and 3 new ones in Scotland. The amounts of paid leave legislated by the UK Parliament rose steadily throughout the 20th century. There is nothing to suggest it would have ceased to rise had we not joined the EU.

The right to equal pay for work of equal value between men and women.
WRONG
The Equal Pay Act 1970 was passed BEFORE the UK joined the EU.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_1970

The right to high standards of health and safety at work.

The UK have been passing laws to improve health and safety at work since 1833.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_Acts

Millions of workers have benefited from the EU-derived workplace rights covered in the report. Examples include:

Six million workers gained new or enhanced rights to paid holidays (two million of whom had previously had no paid annual leave.)

Uk workers have been enjoying paid holidays since the C18th, (mainly religious festivals). The 1871 Act gave them paid holidays throughout the UK.

^Around 400,000 part-time workers, most of them women, gained improved pay and conditions when equal treatment rights were introduced.
Landmark legal cases with far reaching effects for other workers have resulted from women becoming able to challenge unequal pay in workplaces where men and women were concentrated in different kinds of jobs.^

See above - Equal Pay Act 1970 introduced equal pay and conditions before we joined the EU.

You seem to have forgotten that this Tory Government raised the minimum wage - without any help from the EU, where, in some parts of the EU, the minimum wage is the equivalent of 82p per hour.

Nursery school assistance was introduced in the C21st by UK Government - not by EU.

Why has the EU not outlawed the pernicious zero hours contract which completely contradict the European Social Model on which the EU employment model was founded.

The EU is not the font of all workers protection that some would like to paint it as.

Give credit where credit is due.

elagloria · 16/04/2016 23:10

we must vote to leave this one world, corrupt, undemocratic bullies.the idea the UK would be isolated is a great lie. I could not vote in the first referendum being 17 but I will now vote to leave.we need freedom not imprisonment,bondage,or shackles.Jesus freed us over 2500 years ago.He will do it again for us on the 23 June.Cameron and Osborne can go and live in Brussels.

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 23:13

Jesus freed us over 2500 years ago.He will do it again for us on the 23 June.

Well, that's a new one on me.

londonrach · 16/04/2016 23:16

Tbh i think he wants to go anyway (cant blame him i wouldnt want his job) so voting leave or stay wont make a difference. Just vote either leave or stay depending on what you want. This vote is too important to bring anything else into it!

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 23:17

I want to know more about Jesus.

EveryoneElsie · 16/04/2016 23:18

Isn't that like voting for the BNP as a protest against something or other?
Dont do that.

YABVU.

MadameDePompom · 16/04/2016 23:19

I can't wait to see how old JC (Jesus Christ, not Mr Corbyn) will manifest himself on the 23rd of June!

ouryve · 16/04/2016 23:19

Because the potential replacements are so much better than Dave...

Oh. Yeah.

No.

SpringingIntoAction · 16/04/2016 23:22

I find the idea of voting Leave simply to remove Cameron quite shallow /bizarre.

But I also find the argument that we should stay in the EU because we benefit from cheap mobile phone roaming charges equally as bizarre / shallow.

If, you believe that the consequences of Leaving are grossly over-hyped then voting Leave to remove Cameron is not quite as bizarre as it initially seemed.

elagloria · 16/04/2016 23:24

its not by coincidence the tories won the last election.Bible prophecy dictates this.how else would there be a refrendum

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 23:25

Please explain more about the bible prophecy, you've certainly got my attention.

CockacidalManiac · 16/04/2016 23:26

Is Boris really Jesus? That'd be a bit of a shock.

Stratter5 · 16/04/2016 23:32

I'll be voting to stay.

I hate Cameron et al with a passion. I think Corbyn is great, he has morals and principles, and it's about time we had someone in power with empathy and a moral compass that actually works. The current government is a bunch of self serving, divisive, thieving, morally bankrupt cunts. For the first time in my life I'll be voting Labour at the next election.

MadameDePompom · 16/04/2016 23:37

its not by coincidence the tories won the last election.Bible prophecy dictates this.

Well of course the bible concerned itself with the domestic squabbles of 21st century Britain.

No honestly, that doesn't sound one bit bizarre and anglocentric.

Stratter5 · 16/04/2016 23:47

I think I might linger a little longer in case there's any more Revelations Grin