To think if you want to get rid of David Cameron, vote Leave.

[NotnowNigel]

Ken Clarke has said that "David Cameron won't last 30 seconds if the country votes leave".

That will plunge the Tories into civil war in the party. George will probably take over et voila!

George will never win an election. He has all the charisma of a blocked sink.

I hope no one vote on the Eu with such short sighted aims.

Its not unlikely the EU itself could be very right wing in a few years time, vote for the long term good.

I'm even more frightened of what Tory policy would look like under Gideon or the Dangerous Buffoon than I am under Cameron, and that's saying something.

Labour policy did not really help the poor either though did it.

The whole EU is not doing well by its poorest either.

Would you like to give some detail on how Labour policy was worse for the poor than the current Tory policies Slave?

Beware TheBoris!

I'm mostly astonished I agree with DC about something. But I'll handle it.

It doesn't automatically follow that if you dislike the Tories and their policies then you must be for Labour.

NuLabour brought in ESA and ATOS so their hands aren't clean either, and I didn't/don't agree with that. But the Tories have taken demonisation of the disabled, the low waged and the out of work to new levels.

Arf at Corbyn being a champagne socialist. He's nothing of the sort.

I'm voting according to what's best for the country overall imo.

I do not like Dave and his mates one iota but won't let that dislike cloud a serious decision which has myriad repercussions.

Absolutely agree that making a choice about the long term future of the UK based upon a PM who we already know is stepping down before 2020 is madness.

It bothers me that with all the agonising many people are doing over which way to vote, there will be many people who will vote on a whim, out of prejudice or personalities.

But is it a serious decision with myriad repercussions Show ?

I don't think it will make much difference, leave or stay. It's not like we will suddenly drift out into the Altalantic and not be part of Europe. Even economically, we will still trade the same. Heck, most bigger companies in UK are global, not UK or EU only.

But it will make a big difference if the Torys are so thrown into chaos that they lose power. That will open up a chance for change before 2020 at least.

Also, "if you want to get rid of that hideous wallpaper in the back bedroom, burn your house down."
FFS.

Or you could just not vote conservative in the next general election.

Leaving the EU to get rid of Cameron is like moving house because you have a spider in the bathroom.

It bothers me that with all the agonising many people are doing over which way to vote, there will be many people who will vote on a whim, out of prejudice or personalities.

Twas ever thus though - same as in Elections. Many people in most of the constituencies I've lived in would vote for a dead nematode worm if it had a Blue Rosette - and there are Labour areas the same (but a Red Rosette) of course.

Hah! Crossed posts with Jeanne

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is madness.

My point Jeanne exactly. It is comparable to changing the wallpaper. Leave or stay, it won't make much difference.

This whole 'uncertainty' of a REferendum has been brought about because the UK Tory party could not agree on Europe. It's not about the 'country'. It;'s about them.

I would love to see the back of Cameron but I don't think voting No is the way to do it. Unless he gets a huge Remain vote, I suspect he will be finished. I can't see Gideon taking his place - he's too much allied to DC.

Gove? Floppy haired BoJo? The alternatives are equally cringeworthy.

Vote to permanently leave the EU in order to get rid of a PM who'll be gone in a couple of years anyway?

Er, no thanks. I'm not an imbecile.

Ridiculous reason for voting to leave.

On that basis OP, I'm in a win win situation. I want to leave but would like Cameron to be PM. I'd sacrifice Cameron though to leave the EU.

Put aside the personalities leading each side of the campaign.

Vote for whichever you feel would be of the most benefit to the country and its citizens as a whole.

I have never been a fan of Cameron, but I will vote to stay because that is what I believe and I worry that leaving would open a massive can of worms (economic, commercial and financial) from which we would struggle to recover for a very long time.

For the record, I am not a Boris fan either, nor a Corbyn one. That said though, I did for once find myself in agreement with Corbyn this week when he finally joined the Remain campaign. He said that it is fine to vote for what you believe will be best, yet still have reservations. I identified with that because no system is perfect and either will have foibles that grate.

Vote for your beliefs. Not for the personalities.

Even economically, we will still trade the same. Heck, most bigger companies in UK are global, not UK or EU only.

They won't trade the same. I work for a FTSE 100 manufacturing company that trades globally. Most of our worldwide manufacturing capacity is located close to the market it serves. The company is evaluating relocating some of its UK manufacturing capacity to continental Europe in the event of a Brexit, because of the "close to market" issue (you can be physically close to a market but still face trade barriers - remaining in EFTA would resolve this issue of course but would require the UK to sign up to continued free movement).

People should of course vote with their conscience, but basing a long-term, irreversible decision on what you think of Cameron is just plain stupid. You can vote out the Tories in 2020 if you want, but you can't simply rejoin the EU at a later date.

I don't like the alternative conservative leaders any more than DC. Corbyn a champagne socialist, I have heard it all now.

True was but elections do roll around regularly. This feels more of a one off. Whatever the outcome I can't see there being any further referendum. To come out or go back in.

I've heard several people, all with very different lives and reasons, say that their hatred for DC is greater than their desire to be in or out. 'I'll do what harms David Cameron' is literally what I heard yesterday.

I think he's appalling, but I'm trying to hold on to my reason.

We need to stay in. Shudder at the idea of the Tories without the Human Rights Act/EU backup. So many naive DM reading people think we need to scrap HR as there 'are terrorists here' etc without realising the cases they have helped. More Tory propaganda.

We may not lose the Tories if UK votes leave as there are still many people who are enjoying the attack on the vulnerable and disabled and they don't consider everything else or see that we are headed back to pre-war times. What a selfish bunch of people.