To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?

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We went to the pub for dinner last night. It is a naice pub with a good menu. When we walked in at about 7.30pm there was a cacophony of barking because at least four dogs, owned by different people, had decided to "play," with each other.

This afternoon we were shopping at a little retail park. Lots of little handbag type dogs were being paraded round. One woman even let her two dogs walk all over the rugs on display.

Aibu to think that they shouldn't be there? Why can't the dogs be left at home. Obviously these weren't guide dogs, just pets.

A lot of misanthropes on mumsnet I think cruikshank. Hence the constant comparing of children and dogs. I guess if you find people difficult dogs are a substitute - they don't answer back and often have a devotion to the person that feeds them.

No idea, Lurked. As I understand it a dog is pts if it's attacked someone though, so I would assume that the majority of the dogs in the 7,332 attacks (and that is not all of the attacks by dogs in the UK in one year - it's just the attacks that resulted in hospital admissions) had not previously been involved in a recorded attack.

Sorry, Grays, I thought that this comment of yours:

And we were talking stats not impact of the effects so stop changing the goal posts. meant that you wanted to talk about stats.

And keep your tights on love, I'm not minimising anything

Admirably demonstrated.

That's true, AnthonyBlanche. Almost to a man/woman, all of the people I have ever met who say that they prefer dogs to people have been unbearable bastards who are utterly incapable of sustaining any kind of relationship with another human being and have therefore retreated into the 'love' lavished on them, they believe, by an animal that depends on them for food and shelter.

It clearly didn't given I questioned why they were posted in the first place

Anthony clearly imagining dog lovers as some weirdos with no friends or kids of their own

Course they were cruiks. You haven't made that up to have digs at dog lovers at all

And I'd hazard a guess that of the 7,000 and odd injuries caused by dogs very, very few were unprovoked attacks on random strangers. Dogs normally give very clear, very many signals that they are unhappy in a given situation before they finally bite. It's their weapon of last resort. It is not the dogs fault if people are so blind, stupid, uneducated, call it what you will that they ignore these signals.

Yes, I know the difference between dogs and children. The point I'm making is, some parents let their children run riot, disturbing other diners. Most dog owners keep their dogs under strict control in pubs.

Y point isn't "bizarre". It's is simply my opinion. So give it a rest Cruikshank

Well, that's ok then. People who are stupid deserve to be mutilated.

The point I'm making is, some parents let their children run riot, disturbing other diners. Most dog owners keep their dogs under strict control in pubs.

But why are you equating the two at all? They are different. And 'strict control' from 'most dog owners' - really? You've done a study then?

Cruikshank mmmm, are you pissed? You sound like a goady drunk who just wants a fight. With anyone. About anything. I am expressing an opinion. That's hat these forums are about.

OP Yanbu imho

Quite so MsAdorable. I think Cruikshank just wants a row.

Yes I think you're right. I've copied my entire post. If she whines that I've personally offended her and reports my post I'm going to post it again.

If we're going to generalise, I'd say that all the dog haters I've met are the weird ones. Bearing in mind dogs are pack animals, that live in an organised, supportive and we'll run society, it says quite a lot about the persons mindset if they find that incomprehensible. Not to mention the entitlement needed to form the opinion 'this business has decided allowing dogs entry is in their interests, but I don't like them, so the business owner should prioritise ME ME ME over their own profits'.

cruik how about you compare the stats on dog bites to the stats on sexual abusers and rapists. And then tell me how often you go round avoiding anywhere with other adults because of the possibility they are sexual predators.

anthony by the by, when a horse rider starts shouting 'keep your dog away', when the dog isn't doing anything it shouldn't be, it translates to anyone hearing it very differently. Either 'I'm nervous/ novice' or to the non rural/ unhorsey 'I'm yet another entitled arrogant horse rider'.

I find it odd for someone to have such disdain for animals that have no thoughts of hatred, no malice, no judgement. Sure I might hate a specific dog if it had been a twat to me but to hate them all? It'd be like saying I hate all humans. They all have such distinct personalities and I've only ever met a couple of aggressive ones. I think it tells a lot about an individual if they can look at a dog that's doing nothing wrong and spew such hatred for them and their owners.

Domestic dogs are NOT pack animals. Pack theory is now entirely discredited.

By the way lurked I have a horse that is prone to kicking out at dogs so I do the dog owners a favour and tell them to keep their dogs out of the way - no shouting involved. And no nervousness from me I can assure you. I couldn't give a monkeys bum what any of the dog owners or anyone else thinks of me when I'm out riding.

I don't mind having dogs in my shop but it's all non textile and all stock is behind counters anyway.

I think it's a nice bit of 'local character'.

So is it acceptable to have a horse that's not under control all of the time, but not ok to have a dog that's not under control all of the time?

why can't some spaces just be for humans? - especially places where food drink etc are served?? Why the need to include dogs?

It affects people with allergies and people who really don't want to eat/drink around someone elses animal. They are not all pleasant and most do smell (no matter what the owner thinks)
I am not anti dog (have owned in past) but people these days just seem to think their pet is entitled to go everywhere with them.

The vast majority of places are "just for humans". The odd pub that allows dogs in is hardly impinging on your ability to go and eat somewhere dog free if that's your preference. Live and let live...

Holy crap. I just RTFT and this is bizarre.

Why so aggressive?

Genuinely if anyone came into my business and started argy bargying like this I'd fling them out right away.

It doesn't matter if you're a 'townie' or a 'countryperson'- utter nonsense.

And don't get me started on parents who inadvertently pass phobias to their children. Thats not fair on your children.

It'd be like saying I hate all humans.

Well, no, it wouldn't. Because humans are not dogs. How many times does this have to be repeated?

I am expressing an opinion.

Yes, and again, you are equating dogs with children in your opinion that you expressed. Maybe you don't see anything wrong with that; ok, but I certainly do.