To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?

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We went to the pub for dinner last night. It is a naice pub with a good menu. When we walked in at about 7.30pm there was a cacophony of barking because at least four dogs, owned by different people, had decided to "play," with each other.

This afternoon we were shopping at a little retail park. Lots of little handbag type dogs were being paraded round. One woman even let her two dogs walk all over the rugs on display.

Aibu to think that they shouldn't be there? Why can't the dogs be left at home. Obviously these weren't guide dogs, just pets.

I agree Cruikshank. I don't think Peace is a country person, she gave herself away

Kind of is calling me a liar Anthony, I like advanced search and am quite open about using it if I think I am remembering something wrong.

Lambing season, yes, there are problems with visitors and dogs, the lambs end up dead at the slaughter house or by a dog, not nice either way.
Sentimentality isn't the problem if you took any notice of the local news. Sheep about to give birth can loose their lamb by being scared by dogs out of control around them, turns out sheep are naturally scared of fair sized animals with sharp teeth around them as well, maybe we should teach their parents not to pass on this fear? So sheep and their lambs can die from being 'bothered' by dogs. Sheep and lambs are also ripped apart by dogs, though never have I seen anyone blame visitors, always just dogs (though I think dog owners). Often many sheep die at the same incidence from watching their herd being ripped apart. Finding dead animals is always distressing for any owner, especially if blood and guts are everywhere, but for a farmer he's also seeing alot of money lost. Each mother sheep will have been kept for good breeding, each lamb has not yet grown to be sale-able. Farmers lose £1000's with each attack and they love their animals, it is distressing not sentimental.
Very interesting point about dogs bring less working than before.

I'm still confused as to why the dog injury admission rates were brought up in the first place.

I mean I could sit here, spend the next hour or so finding a number of sources and construct a counter argument about the good dogs have done, not only in an agricultural and modern day health sense, but also historically for the advancement of man kind.

The dog injury rates were brought up by me in response to Peace's implication that the only damage dogs have done since 2008 is to have killed 18 people (although actually it's 21 now). I was just pointing out that actually dogs have done a lot more than that. What good they have done I am not disputing, but over 7,000 ended up in hospital last year as a result of dog attacks. I think that's pretty shocking, don't you?

Scaredy thanks for your post, I live right by a sheep farm, we have steers and most of our social circle is farming. I was brought up on a farm.
I watched our collie get shot by my grandfather when too old to work, I don't really understand the point that you are making.
It's a financial loss to the farmers.

Mind you, I was accused of telling lies on another thread about something else to do with cattle, so maybe I am just a serial bullshitter about living in the countryside.

7,000 ended up in hospital last year as a result of dog attacks. I think that's pretty shocking, don't you?

Given than our population is 53,000,000 and there are an estimated 9,000,000 dogs... no.

Also interesting to note that cotton buds cause 9,000 injuries and tights 12,000.

Borderterrier, well, obviously all of those 7,332 admissions were due to people being pissed tripping over dogs, seeing as how one of them was.

Aye, not what I was getting at, as that'd be as daft as saying any accident involving an animal is due to that animal being a savage beast that'll rip you to shreds as soon as give you the stink eye.

I also don't get how this is a 'country folk love dogs and therefore have the right idea because they've got big hearts' vs 'townies with their snotty ways just don't get it' dichotomy that always crops up on threads like this.

Nowt to do with soft hearts. All our dogs, and most of our regular's dogs, were working dogs (they worked off the gun. Working collies and terriers in fairness don't settle well on a visit to the pub on an evening) some were kenneled at home, some slept in the house. All were expected to behave and all liked flopping in front of the fire and nabbing the odd empty crisp packed to lick out. Never met anyone who's grown up around animals getting all stressed out because they're 'stinking and hairy and gross' and might slobber while you eat.

Not read the full thread.

Some pubs market themselves on being dog-friendly so fair enough. If you don't like them you can go to a different pub. But maybe they should have a non-dog section if serving food as it's no different to a cafe or restaurant but if they're on a walking route it kind of figures that people will turn up with dogs.

But shops. No. Definitely not unless guide/hearing dogs.

Pub dogs that have had a good walk and are now collapsed in front of the fire or under a table - fine.
Pub dogs that try to mug me for my beef crisps - fuck right off.

I'd love to see the breakdown of dog attacks, and see exactly how many involve random, unprovoked attacks on people in public places by unknown dogs. I bet most of the attacks are either owners, those who work with dogs, defence/ intruders, and mostly on private property.

I wonder if police dog bites on suspects are included? They must be I suppose.

I don't mind dogs in shops, pubs etc providing the owner is actually controlling the dog and they don't let them come running up to me - I don't want to be jumped or slobbered over thank you!

Really, Grays? You don't think that over 7,000 people requiring hospital admission is something to be concerned about? Only, to employ Peace's tactic, drink driving accounts for around 8,200 RTAs a year. Silly old govt, eh, passing laws to stop it and devoting police time in order to enforce those laws when the numbers are statistically insignificant. Btw comparing dog attacks, which very often involve facial lacerations and other life-changing injuries, to cotton buds and tights is puerile and astonishingly minimising behaviour.

Some of the people on here really do help to cement my long held belief that I actually do prefer dogs to humans.

Got to agree with that zeezek !

As long as the dog can buy its round, no prob

I am in those stats for hospital admission. Some years ago, I trod on my poor little dog, got a tiny bite on my big toe that broke the skin and ended up in hospital with cellulitis. The dog was about a 10 pound little snippet and I broke the poor sod's leg when I tripped.

I don't mind dogs, my DS (20 months old) adores them. We don't have one ourselves, but my mum who lives next door has a rather lovely basset hound who we see every day. We live in Cumbria, it's not unusual to see dogs in pubs here. As long as they're under control and ok around people, I don't see a problem with it. If you're not keen, don't approach the dog- simple.
I think it comes down to a shared responsibility. I always ask if a dog is happy to be petted before me and DS approach. And I'd never leave DS unsupervised around any animal, dog or other. I also work in a shop (non-food), and will invite dogs inside as long as they're on a lead and I'll gladly make a fuss of them. A cuddle from a friendly dog can really make a day at work more enjoyable.
I think it can do children a lot of good to be brought up being used to dogs. It can teach them a lot about kindness and respect towards animals.
As I said- it's a mutual responsibility but that's just my opinion.

cruicks anything else you'd like to put in my mouth along with those words? When did I say it wasn't concerning? I said it wasn't shocking. Which it isn't given the millions of humans and dog owners.

And we were talking stats not impact of the effects so stop changing the goal posts.

YABU. We took 10 month old golden out for a long walk and pub bite today. She was tired out and slept under the table. I'd rather a well behaved dog than a badly behaved child.

Ok, if it's stats you want, Grays, then according to the Guardian article I linked to earlier half of the 7,332 hospital admissions in 2014-15 following dog attacks involved plastic surgery. Given that plastic surgery is hardly handed out like sweeties by the NHS, that would indicate a fair amount of people who have been disfigured by dog attacks just in the space of a year. Still, you keep on posting your minimising crap about ear buds and tights, why don't you?

If you don't think the figures I have quoted are 'shocking' then just exactly how would you describe them? Apart from equating them to ear bud injuries that is?

I'd rather a well behaved dog than a badly behaved child.

What is behind this penchant on this and other threads I have seen on mumsnet for equating dogs with children? It strikes me as being really quite bizarre. You do know that dogs are animals and children are humans, don't you?

cruik and how many were unprovoked attacks, in public by previously unknown dogs?

I don't want stats no, if you remember I questioned why the statistic had been brought up in the first place.

And keep your tights on love, I'm not minimising anything I'm showing that anything can have harmful effects in the thousands.

And why would I find a statistic that shows 0.01% of people a year have a dog related injury 'shocking'. It's not good no, but not shocking. Sorry that your scaremongering hasn't worked.