To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?

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We went to the pub for dinner last night. It is a naice pub with a good menu. When we walked in at about 7.30pm there was a cacophony of barking because at least four dogs, owned by different people, had decided to "play," with each other.

This afternoon we were shopping at a little retail park. Lots of little handbag type dogs were being paraded round. One woman even let her two dogs walk all over the rugs on display.

Aibu to think that they shouldn't be there? Why can't the dogs be left at home. Obviously these weren't guide dogs, just pets.

Regarding the stats on dog-related hospital admissions, my mum tripped over her dog a couple of years back whilst pissed as a fart, and broke her ankle. The hospital recorded it as a 'dog related incident' as they had to 'feed back the figures on injuries caused by dogs' or some such. The old lush could just have easily toppled down the stairs.

Whilst she was in physio she met another lady who was in for a dodgy knee- she'd recalled her dog, and he'd come back to her at such speed he wasn't able to stop in time so skidded into her on the wet grass. Another injury caused by a dog on the stats. An injury doesn't necessarily mean somebody was mauled by Cujo.

Anyways, on the pub front, I grew up in a country pub. Slobbery, stinking dogs are far more welcome than townies who come over all precious and over the top when faced with a dog. Who do you think spends more cash? A) The regulars who come in several times a week with their dogs, B) the walkers, who make note of the fact that your pub is dog friendly and so come again, often deliberately walking a new route in the area or repeating one just so they can end with a meal at your pub, or C) The day trippers out 'for a drive around the countryside', who like looking at nature but get squeamish when they step in it.

And dogs on public transport ain't a new thing either. My granda was grumbling about having to pay for a dog ticket on the bus back in the early 60's. I still make a point of taking all my pups on trains and buses, so they know how to behave on public transport (and I grumble just like my granda did about paying 40p for a terrier smaller than most bags that sits on my knee).

Peace, obviously I can't speak for Anthony but I don't think you're doing yourself any favours by listing other things that are also dangerous. Yes, lots of people are injured in RTAs every year. Lots of people are also injured in gang fights, in bar brawls, by their parents, by their partners etc. So we could go down the road of comparing all of these dangers and saying - what? - that none of them are such a big deal because the others exist? Not sure what that would achieve, particularly on a thread about dogs, but feel free to crack on anyway.

Look at you getting nasty scaredy, it's not clever but gives a pretty good idea of why the locals don't like you.
The mirror is a red top and I would hardly call the guardian a good a source as the DOH but no, you can't argue with stupid.

Oh I see, peace you weren't saying that the number of horse and rat bites were comparable to those for dogs. I think you might have made that clear. Your post says "similar for horse, rat and other bites."

I have lived in a city, but am born and bred country person who lives in a lovely rural area which allows me to keep horses on my own land beside my house. Fortunately very few dog walkers venture our way and if I meet one when out riding I always tell them to keep their dog away from my horse so it doesn't get kicked.

I will crack on because it's blatantly relevant when the lions are talking about the danger of dogs and keeping children away from them.

It's not a logical response but then you are on lots of threads about dogs saying the same thing every time, so I probably should go out and have a nice walk with the dog.

That's autocorrect for scaredy, probably should report your post as a personal attack but you carry on.

You called me and repeatedly called me 'hysterical', report away!

Border at the old lush.

Peace you need to chill the fuck out and understand that not everyone likes dogs. Those that don't like dogs are entitled to moan about dogs in places like pubs and shops if they want to and It is your prerogative not to agree with them. You will never persuade most people that dogs are as important as people.

Not sure how RTAs are even remotely related to dangerous dogs.

Borderterrier, well, obviously all of those 7,332 admissions were due to people being pissed tripping over dogs, seeing as how one of them was. Nothing to worry about then.

Admissions due to bites and stings from nonvenomous insects and spiders in England has risen 17% in a year from 3,813 in 2013/14 to 4,470 in 2014/15.

This is a growing problem too .

The dog stats include re admissions by the same people.

I am chilled, if you hate dogs, don't say it's on spurious safety grounds.

A distraction I think, gets away from the facts under discussion.

It's a business decision , up to the pub owner, thankfully in the country it's normal.

I don't think I did say I hated dogs on any kind of safety grounds peace? In fact I'm not sure I even said I hated dogs? I just commented that the figures for hospital treatment for injury by a dog were very high at 27 per 100k of population.

I also don't get how this is a 'country folk love dogs and therefore have the right idea because they've got big hearts' vs 'townies with their snotty ways just don't get it' dichotomy that always crops up on threads like this. My mum was the first 'townie' in her family when she went to work in an office and all the rest of them on that side stayed very much put. They live in the countryside, they work in the countryside, their livelihoods depend on the countryside and have done for generations. Amongst all of them, the attitude is that dogs are working animals, not pets. They're not inside the house (although the chickens quite often are when they're on a wee roam - kitchen only though), and they're certainly not in shops/pubs, on sofas, on beds etc. This strange anthropomorphism that seems to have come about in recent years is not a traditional or typical 'country' attitude at all, ime.

Sorry Anthony I thought I remembered you from a couple of other threads saying similar things but I might be wrong on that.

I agree Cruikshank. I don't think Peace is a country person, she gave herself away with her throwaway comment about lambs being killed by dogs and being slaughtered amounting to the same thing.

Yes, advanced search is always handy to use if you are not sure.

No horsey person that I know would spend hours on the dog hating threads. It's a fact about lambs, every been in a slaughter house? No need to get all sentimental, doesn't matter to the lamb how it is killed.

Peace I haven't said on this thread whether or not I like dogs. Truth is I don't really like them much, though it is often the attitudes of dog owners that I really dislike. I grew up with working dogs, but that is a completely different way of keeping dogs.

Anthony, unfortunately you felt the need to make personal comments which alluded to me being a liar. I was pretty sure that I remembered you being a regular on the anti dog threads, I advanced searched you and I remembered correctly. Feel free to do the same, I think I even state where I live on a recent thread.

How wrong you are peace. I suspect you don't know very many horsey people. A lamb being ripped to shreds by dogs certainly matters to the farmer . perhaps that doesn't bother you though? And yes, I have been in a slaughterhouse. The one our beasts go to is as humane as it is possible for it to be.

It matters financially to the farmer, unfortunately the lamb doesn't really understand whether it's killed to make money or not.

I suspect you make up lots of things to support your argument though.

Dear god peace you think I am interested enough in you to do some sort of search! ?? How bizarre. And I did not call you any sort of liar. I said that on this thread I had not said that I hated dogs on safety or any other grounds

I find you quite a sad individual and as I have stuff to do I will say so long and enjoy your dog related life.

Agree that that was a pretty shocking comment (about sheep worrying) Anthony - nobody in my extended family would ever think like that. I think it's the newcomers to the country that have this sentimental idea about dogs - you know, get yourself a naice house in a naice village and get the kids away from urban riff-raff in a naice school (while you commute to and from work every day) and part of that whole 'lifestyle' is 'having a dog'. Don't get me wrong - my cousins' kids when they were younger would fuss over the farm dogs and other animals too, but growing up rural as in actually making a living off the land tends to knock that out of people.