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To worry about making friends in London? And people's notions about Americans?

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Begentleimnewhere · 30/12/2015 16:46

We are preparing to move to London from the U.S. as a result of my DH's job transfer. I've been so always loved London and my kids are little enough that they won't complain (6 and 4). My DH has committed to stay for at least 3 years, but if all goes well it could be a lot longer. His company is paying for private school and giving us a generous housing allowance, and a bunch of other financial incentives, and equalizing the taxes to what they are here, so we will probably have a higher standard of living in London than we do here, even though it is so expensive there. We've found a nice flat and narrowed the schools down to a few choices that have space for my older DC.

Last night I spoke to a friend of a friend who recently returned from living in London for a few years under similar circumstances. I've met this woman several times and as far as I can tell she is friendly, smart, and fun. I was looking forward to getting some tips from her, but to be honest she kind of took the wind out of my sails. She ultimately enjoyed her experience but she said it was very, very hard for her to make friends. She met lots of moms at her kids' schools, neighbors, etc., and they were all pleasant and polite, but nobody was receptive to her efforts at getting to know them. This woman is a bit outspoken, but not inappropriately so, although I wonder if the line of appropriateness might be different over there. She ended up making most of her friends through clubs and activities geared toward other expats.

I'm a bit more shy than this woman, though still not what you'd call an introvert. I will be leaving behind a great group of "mom friends" from my DC's preschool, and they are a big part of making life as a stay-at-home mom bearable. Obviously it took time to build these friendships and I know I can't instantly recreate what I have here, but I also know I won't be happy alone with my kids all day every day for 3 years.

So be brutally honest: what should I be expecting as an American mom moving to London? (Speaking in huge generalizations, obviously.) I'm not expecting a welcome party, but will I eventually be able to make real friends and feel like a normal person? I know there are plenty of Americans in London and they all seem to love it so I'm hoping it can't be that hard.

Also should I be worried about fitting in with the other parents at an expensive "pre-prep" school? I'm told we won't get DC into a decent state school mid-year and the international schools that have space aren't convenient to my DH's office. Where we live now the public schools are excellent and even wealthy people usually use them. We are reasonably comfortable financially, but TBH it would be a big stretch to afford the flat and school if DH's company wasn't paying. I'm a normal mid-30s mom who is still carrying a bit of baby weight and wears yoga pants a bit more than I should. I make an effort to dress nicely --when I'm not too frazzled-- but I am far from a fashionista. Am I going to feel poor and frumpy next to the posh private school mums?

Is there anything I should specifically try NOT to do in order to avoid fulfilling negative stereotypes about Americans? I won't throw any baby showers but that's about all I've gleaned from MN so far.

Sorry this message was so long, I hope at least a few people actually read it. Thanks very much!

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SkiptonLass2 · 30/12/2015 19:33

'll be honest - you will find it a lot easier to fit in if you're an Obama-voting east coaster than a middle America Donald Trump fan who likes to carry a side arm

Exactly. That and religion - was it alistair Campbell who archly remarked that "we don't do god" in response to being asked to pray with Bush?
Brits are very tolerant but we don't have much time for guns, religion that's in your face, or extreme right wing views (and remember that Obama is to the right of most British mainstream politics. )
You'll be fine, I'm an expat (Brit in Sweden) and it can be hard breaking into social circles but at least you don't have a language barrier!

FlatOnTheHill · 30/12/2015 19:36

Goodnightdarth
Nothing wrong with Essex. We have some lovely private schools, villages, countryside and towns. Nothing wrong with the people either. Goodness knows what part of Essex you are referring too. Please tell.
OP ignore the Essex comment.
Just be yourself. And by reading your post you sound like a lovely lady that will fit in anywhere.
Thanksfor you

YouStillLookLikeAMovie · 30/12/2015 19:38

Yes. We need the crucial information of your planned location and your political and religious views OP!

FlatOnTheHill · 30/12/2015 19:44

Ta1kin
You say "well heeled cosmopolitan people" Confused
Do you know something? Real smart people ie proper posh old money aristos. They would never say that.
Are you up and coming middle class nouveau riche?

CheerfulYank · 30/12/2015 19:53

Not everyone in the Midwest is a slaw jawed yokel. Hmm

bigmouthstrikesagain · 30/12/2015 19:53

I moved to a town in Essex in the late 80s from oop north, I was mocked for my accent, and had hassle from townies for dressing in an indie kid style rather than sports casual, but I also made some amazing lasting friendships and went to fantastic gigs, Essex is not just TOWIE and racist ex Londoner cabbies. It is a diverse place. I would never live there again mind but I don't wholly dismiss it.

Moving countries and cultures is going to be challenging op, good luck, I am sure you will find friends, be open to opportunity, don't be put off by a couple of false starts, remember you are worth getting to know. You will be fine Smile

CheerfulYank · 30/12/2015 19:54

slack even Blush

goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 19:56

Flatonthehill Assuming you're actually asking and not trying to disregard my experience because it hasn't been yours, Barking and Dagenham in the 1980s / 90s. It was a rough place. Where are you?

Postitblue · 30/12/2015 20:04

Barking is hardly representitive of all of Essex Hmm.... More of a London suburb. Plus very working class and prob had a population that would not have been exposed to real live Americans frequently which might have added to your novelty /ribbing factor. Hope it wasn't too harsh!

FlatOnTheHill · 30/12/2015 20:09

Goognight
Barking and Dagenham hardly Essex. More east london. Please dont use that area as an example of Essex because it isnt.
I live in Little Warley just up the road from Brentwood. Otherwise known at the moment as TOWIE Land Wink

AppleSetsSail · 30/12/2015 20:10

American in West London here.

London is so international that I don't think this is an issue anymore.

My advice to you is to practice speaking with a less pronounced American inflection, try to speak more softly, and do not do the typical American "Oh my god! Thank you so much!" when someone does something nice for you or even when you're served in a restaurant. If you do these things, you will find it much easier.

Begentleimnewhere · 30/12/2015 20:11

Thank you ladies so much. Lots to chew on here. I would never used the word fag or spaz, and I am definitely an east coast liberal. I am mortified that there are people in my country who would even begin to take
Donald Trump seriously as a human being, let alone a presidential candidate.

Ta1kin Peece and some others hit it on the head. I'm realizing that we are not only moving to a different country but also a different world. I actually grew up in NYC (back when middle class families could actually raise kids there) so I'm not totally new to spending time with competitive rich people, and a few of my friends have grown up to be them. But I didn't go to private school or live in a posh neighborhood, and it feels like a lifetime ago. I don't want to name the schools we are considering --because I am going to have a makeover and lose 20 lbs and get a new wardrobe and pretend I never wrote this-- but yes, we will be in west London. Our flat is in Fulham and the schools are all pretty close to there. If we don't like it we can move after a year but we would strongly prefer not to.

Darthvader, I'm so sorry you had a crappy expat experience as a kid. I will do my best to be sensitive to how my kids are actually feeling, not just how I think they should feel, IYSWIM.

Anyway,I will read this thread more carefully tonight, but it has been very helpful so far. Thank you!

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AppleSetsSail · 30/12/2015 20:13

I'm in Fulham. Plenty of Americans here as well as French and Italians.

Begentleimnewhere · 30/12/2015 20:13

Apple, good tip! I totally do that.

Thank you SO much!!!!! :)

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AppleSetsSail · 30/12/2015 20:13

And Fulham is surprisingly unpretentious.

AppleSetsSail · 30/12/2015 20:14

LOL.

Strike "thank you so much" entirely and insert a perfectly level "thank you" and use it only once per thankable event.

Branleuse · 30/12/2015 20:15

can you try and make some online london friends before you get here and have some meet ups. Or maybe do something when you get here like join a choir or get involved in something extra curricular

CheerfulYank · 30/12/2015 20:19

If I didn't say thank you to everyone for everything I would explode. :o #MinnesotaNice

FlatOnTheHill · 30/12/2015 20:21

Fag or spaz GrinOP that did make me laugh.
Just keep those two words for indoors and you will do just fine

noddingoff · 30/12/2015 20:30

thoughts and advice from Brendan Gleeson and Colin Farrell's characters at 1.18 and 3.18:

alltouchedout · 30/12/2015 20:31

Thanks to CheerfulYank I now cannot get that bloody "some folk'll never eat a skunk..." out of my head

Ta1kinPeece · 30/12/2015 20:42

BeGentle
Fulham way you'll be fine
Nice variety of people and you'll find pockets that are just like the more chilled bits of NYC
The cheese is better in England than NYC as well Grin

librariesgaveusp0wer · 30/12/2015 20:46

I don't know Fulham so can't comment on that bit.

Liberal is good. Anyone who likes Trump, talks about the evils of socialised medicine and owns six guns back home would struggle I would say!

I would definitely add that Brits like structured socialising at first. You won't get invited to their house straight away. Join book clubs or whatever.

You mention your husbands job. Will you be working? Can you on your visa? If not, with two school age kids it could be tough. I'd look for volunteering maybe?

AppleSetsSail · 30/12/2015 20:46

Fulham is not that liberal, just FYI.

merrymouse · 30/12/2015 20:51

Fulham is close enough to the centre to be a quick bus ride from the museums, (or get the tube, but the top of a double decker is more fun) but also just over the river from the open spaces of Barnes/Putney/Wimbledon/Richmond. Lucky you.