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To worry about making friends in London? And people's notions about Americans?

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Begentleimnewhere · 30/12/2015 16:46

We are preparing to move to London from the U.S. as a result of my DH's job transfer. I've been so always loved London and my kids are little enough that they won't complain (6 and 4). My DH has committed to stay for at least 3 years, but if all goes well it could be a lot longer. His company is paying for private school and giving us a generous housing allowance, and a bunch of other financial incentives, and equalizing the taxes to what they are here, so we will probably have a higher standard of living in London than we do here, even though it is so expensive there. We've found a nice flat and narrowed the schools down to a few choices that have space for my older DC.

Last night I spoke to a friend of a friend who recently returned from living in London for a few years under similar circumstances. I've met this woman several times and as far as I can tell she is friendly, smart, and fun. I was looking forward to getting some tips from her, but to be honest she kind of took the wind out of my sails. She ultimately enjoyed her experience but she said it was very, very hard for her to make friends. She met lots of moms at her kids' schools, neighbors, etc., and they were all pleasant and polite, but nobody was receptive to her efforts at getting to know them. This woman is a bit outspoken, but not inappropriately so, although I wonder if the line of appropriateness might be different over there. She ended up making most of her friends through clubs and activities geared toward other expats.

I'm a bit more shy than this woman, though still not what you'd call an introvert. I will be leaving behind a great group of "mom friends" from my DC's preschool, and they are a big part of making life as a stay-at-home mom bearable. Obviously it took time to build these friendships and I know I can't instantly recreate what I have here, but I also know I won't be happy alone with my kids all day every day for 3 years.

So be brutally honest: what should I be expecting as an American mom moving to London? (Speaking in huge generalizations, obviously.) I'm not expecting a welcome party, but will I eventually be able to make real friends and feel like a normal person? I know there are plenty of Americans in London and they all seem to love it so I'm hoping it can't be that hard.

Also should I be worried about fitting in with the other parents at an expensive "pre-prep" school? I'm told we won't get DC into a decent state school mid-year and the international schools that have space aren't convenient to my DH's office. Where we live now the public schools are excellent and even wealthy people usually use them. We are reasonably comfortable financially, but TBH it would be a big stretch to afford the flat and school if DH's company wasn't paying. I'm a normal mid-30s mom who is still carrying a bit of baby weight and wears yoga pants a bit more than I should. I make an effort to dress nicely --when I'm not too frazzled-- but I am far from a fashionista. Am I going to feel poor and frumpy next to the posh private school mums?

Is there anything I should specifically try NOT to do in order to avoid fulfilling negative stereotypes about Americans? I won't throw any baby showers but that's about all I've gleaned from MN so far.

Sorry this message was so long, I hope at least a few people actually read it. Thanks very much!

OP posts:
goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 18:11

Worra, I'm clearly speaking to my experience. Having, you know, experienced it. But I'd be interested to hear about your experience as a north american living in Essex?

eurochick · 30/12/2015 18:11

I think the biggest problem that you will face is that people in London are often incredibly busy and tired. Eg I work full time, as does my husband. We have a toddler. I struggle to find time to meet friends I have known for years and have no time/ inclination to meet new ones at the moment. Most of my friends with young children are in a similar position.

SoleSource · 30/12/2015 18:14

There are groups on

up.co.uk

The Americans in London expat group. ☺

SoleSource · 30/12/2015 18:15

up.com

WorraLiberty · 30/12/2015 18:20

Yes you are speaking from your experience darthvader which is why I take offence to you saying you'll get told to "go back where you came from" and have kids making fun of your north american accent constantly.

I got mugged by a black man in Brixton when I was 16.

I've never told anyone not to move there because they will get mugged by a black man.

museumum · 30/12/2015 18:21

I'll be honest - you will find it a lot easier to fit in if you're an Obama-voting east coaster than a middle America Donald Trump fan who likes to carry a side arm.
Many Brits are utterly bamboozled by the NRA, the Bible Belt and the GOP. Most Americans I know are from the east coast and are equally as bamboozled by their compatriots.
Just remember if folk are a bit rude about "Americans" they are not really meaning all Americans, just the more extreme ones so please don't be offended.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 18:28

Worra I take offence to you taking offence. Who wins? Shock

Look, I know it's the done thing on MN to take everything that everyone says totally literally, but I think it's safe to assume I'm aware that this is not a definite series of events that I am definitely stating will definitely happen to the OP. Definitely. So I don't really thunk that. You can unhoick your judgey pants. Hope you didn't get a wedgey.

I grew up in Essex from the age of 6 to 23. I know what the areas I lived in were like in the 1980s/90s, I know what a lot of people were like at that time in that area. I also know (from regularly visiting my parents who still live there), that it's much more culturally diverse now. So maybe a kid in my situation would be made to feel much more welcome. I certainly hope so.

Mustdosomework · 30/12/2015 18:30

Not sure when you were in Essex darthvader but in common with the rest of (non London) UK it has changed enormously in the last 10 years. Generalisations are rarely accurate as you will know from your experience.

WorraLiberty · 30/12/2015 18:32

Exactly Mustdosomework

It's ridiculous to make sweeping statements about an entire county, based on one person's experience.

EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 30/12/2015 18:33

Museummum makes an excellent point. I work with a guy from New Jersey who hides his face and mumbles in despair when Trump, the Republicans or US gun laws come up in the office.

On the other hand, he got us all interested in the World Series and the room temporarily became a shrine to the New York Mets Grin.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 18:35

Oh, dear. MN. Always on the lookout for injustice and inaccurate sweeping statements by taking words typed quickly on a public forum as a set-in-stone representation of one's personal views. Thank god we have you to protect us all.

I'll direct you to my previous post, which I think requires re-reading.

WorraLiberty · 30/12/2015 18:41

It was hard to read the first time because tbh it looked like it was typed by a teenager making excuses, instead of simply saying "Yeah it's wrong to make sweeping generalisations about people".

Don't make me read through it again Grin

goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 18:45

Oooh, burn. That's me told.

Do you actually have any experience of the stuff on this thread, or are you just coming in here to save everyone from my "sweeping generalisations"? Genuinely asking.

WorraLiberty · 30/12/2015 18:49

I have 46 years of experience of living in a London borough, which is in Essex.

Some people will be wankers to newcomers and some won't.

Which is something you'll find the whole world over.

SoleSource · 30/12/2015 18:49

www meet up . Co . Uk

goodnightdarthvader1 · 30/12/2015 18:53

Yes, in my case it was a class of 30 children. At least. A childhood full of shitty encounters that changed after I started studying / working / living outside of Essex have soured me on the area I lived in, but I acknowledge that not everyone in Essex is a twat.

(In case you're wondering, I wasn't a bitch then like I am now, so it wasn't that.)

StopShoutingAtYourBrother · 30/12/2015 19:03

My best advice to you is to research different areas of London. The different areas offer different lifestyles and as such local communities vary. I have lots of friends from different countries and honestly they don't seem to have trouble fitting in. However they have chosen to live in an area where there is a good blend of private and good state schools, and 'regular' people live.

This is a MASSIVE generalisation and it's based on my personal experiences (before I get flamed....) however If you move into areas which are that bit more exclusive (think more private schools and potentially competitive parents) or central London (really no one unless they are very wealthy with often transient lives live in central London) then you may possibly find it harder to make friends. Possibly.

As with many things in life you will probably find what you put in, you'll get out. Join the PTA, get involved in your local community and if you're that way inclined join your local church / temple etc. Before you know it you'll have found your place.

I'm not from London but live there - I genuinely believe it is a far friendlier, tolerant place than many other cities and have made life long friendships with a lot of people, of which only a small handful are originally from the city.

Good luck!

anotherbusymum14 · 30/12/2015 19:04

Yes, from some one who has lived in both countries the culture is different and it shows but people are friendly here so you can make it work.
We found our American friends to be much more relaxed and just drop into each other's houses (without notice) type thing and this happened really easily and generally we just hung out together when we bumped into each other and as it happened (again without specific dates in our diaries).
Here it's different and although we have friends (from being here previously) we are living in a new area and having to start again from the USA and we have noticed a big difference in that we need to put a whole lot more effort into it (which isn't a biggie, but it makes a difference).
People already have their friends and groups etc here which they tend to stick to. They are all really nice but I'm sure if you make the effort and invite people into your life, I think you will find it works just fine.
We have just been so busy and not done that so it has been harder than in the US, where community just developed more naturally. You will be fine and I am sure you will really like it. Best of luck :)

MaidOfStars · 30/12/2015 19:11

I'll be honest - you will find it a lot easier to fit in if you're an Obama-voting east coaster than a middle America Donald Trump fan who likes to carry a side arm
Bang on. Without wanting to speak for all Brits/Europeans, most of us Don't Get Guns (that seems a reasonable assessment?). I've never met anyone of any European nationality who would want to see civilians carrying firearms (where I've been friendly enough with them to have such a conversation - I'm sure they exist).

I would probably try to (discreetly) ascertain if you were Red or Blue very early on. Not sure how I might go about that though....Grin

My own experience that we aren't quite so openly religious as Americans, but I seem to know very religoius Americans and very heathen Europeans, so the skew might be mine alone.

Despite the stereotypes (which I'd joke about with them), all the Americans I know (family there and friends here) are great.

Oh, 'fag' means 'cigarette'. Don't use it for anything else or you might get punched. We don't use 'spaz' - it's really offensive. Grin

MaidOfStars · 30/12/2015 19:13

(The grinning face was in response to the general idea of giving the OP linguistic tips, not in relation to the 'spaz' comment specifically)
(OP, that's how offensive a word it is. I feel the need to apologise just in case anyone thinks I was making light of its use)

RaskolnikovsGarret · 30/12/2015 19:17

We moved out of Essex (Redbridge) because of racism Sad but I fully accept not everyone will be like that. I work with plenty of lovely people from Essex.

I found later at my DDs' fairly posh private junior school that the British parents were all very nice, but up to a limit. You were talked to, but never admitted to the inner sanctum. So not invited for dinner etc, but allowed to volunteer at the fair.

At the last school concert after 9 years there, I idly looked around and shuddered. It just hit me that ALL the English parents were seated together in various groups. Then there was the Greek mum and the African mum together. The American and the French mum. The Indian and German mum. The Russian and Chinese mum (yes, there were that few that I can do this). I have no idea what to conclude from this, but it made me very uncomfortable. And sad.

My totally biased, based on my own experience, view is that the posher the Brit, the less likely they are to welcome you. I have found more down to earth parents more welcoming. But just my experience. I am sure others have had many contradictory and different experiences.

OP, I hope it's ok. I think it's the luck of the draw, and I am sure you will find some lovely friends. I found mine through work but really hope you find yours at school.

RaskolnikovsGarret · 30/12/2015 19:18

And I have really liked all the Americans I have met.

TattyDevine · 30/12/2015 19:18

Please don't think people are about Americans the way people seem to be on Mumsnet!

You wont be the only American in London. London is full of just about everyone, there are loads of Americans in certain parts of London and many in private schools too.

Im an Aussie expat and people do have various pre conceived ideas about what you should be like, but you only realise this when they say "oh that's weird coming from an Australian" etc etc. (Apparently I am supposed to not be bothered about spiders - I'm not particularly bothered, but I don't particularly like them either - I wouldn't have one as a pet for instance!)

You'll be fine. Don't think too much about another person's experience - that will be as much to do with their personality and just random events like luck and area they were in etc than their actual nationality.

Fuckitfay · 30/12/2015 19:26

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Celia1978 · 30/12/2015 19:29

I came across this recently and thought it was really interesting, seems pretty accurate - and potentially useful:

cupofjo.com/2014/07/15-surprising-things-about-parenting-in-england/