AIBU to not understand why anyone can vote Labour?

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Never mind the fact that they destroyed the economy, never mind the fact that they are joining up with the SNP & never mind the fact that their only policy is to make whatever promises will get them into power...if they do get into power we get Ed Miliband as Prime Minister!

This is the man who failed to eat a bacon sandwich, who sniffs peoples hair on TV, who has 2 kitchens in a £3 million house and talks about poverty! This is the man who redid his fathers will to reduce inheritance tax yet bangs on, endlessly, about tax avoidance. This is the man who though talking to Russell Brand was the way to help him appeal to the 'yoof'. This is the man who stabbed his brother in the back to become leader of the Labour Party.

Okay there are other reasons I fail to understand why anyone would vote Labour, North Staffordshire NHS, Rotherham Council and so one. But realistically its the embarrassment I'm going to feel on May 8th when he's gurning outside 10 Downing Street!

SorryToDisturbYou the answer is no, because David is more handsome.

Right, and the Tories are as transparent as a pain of glass when it comes to covering up CA?

that is what I see in a really poor working class area, people starting to work

Not short term contracts and zero hour jobs then?

Did anyone hear Ed's interview on classic Fm? It's the first time I've heard him talking about personal things, I thought he came across really well and it was interesting and heartbreaking to hear what his parents went through.

*pane - bloody autocorrect

The stuff about the way he looks or eats a bacon sandwich is nasty bullying IMO.

I've never voted Labour but Im thinking about it this time. Ive had years of the press telling me he's incompetent, but from what I've heard from him, I like. The British public like the underdog so it will be interesting to see what happens next week.

Also, the conservatives are lying bastards, so I wouldn't vote for them anyway.

sorry no, because David was standing first?

I'd have a hell of a lot more confidence in david M than Ed. Hell, I may even have given them - Labour - my vote. He is so credible.

"Labour covered up child abuse, and continue to do so. They are scum."

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. Are you really suggesting no conservatives were involved?

Labour covered up child abuse, and continue to do so. They are scum.

Thatcher covered up a lot of child abuse.

Well... if I was going to vote labour I wouldn't be voting for just one man- I'd be voting for a party and its policies- so I'm unlikely to be swayed by anyones bacon sandwich eating abilities

North Staffordshire NHS? What's that about?

ilovesooty no not the people i know

because I believe they offer the best option for change and better lives for all not just the better off :)

I was going to vote Green (I live in a very safe Conservative seat), but the arguments in this thread have convinced me to vote Labour. So thank you for starting it OP

Can't see how anyone could think Labour have destroyed the economy. For the record, borrowing is UP under the current coalition compared to the amount borrowed by the previous government.

It's patently obvious that the narrative of austerity is entirely created in order to legitimise the classic Conservative behaviours - take money from everyone else, ensure that those who already have money retain it and get a lot more, then congratulate yourself that you've created a society that rewards effort and hard work, while not noticing that it's fishy that social mobility massively declines. The chances of young people from poor backgrounds getting on are less than they were 20 years ago.

The only thing wrong with Labour, imo, is that they don't stand by their socialist convictions enough. They've made mistakes like the cockup with the Health service which has led to more money going into the pockets of private contractors. But who's going to do any better? Not the Tories that's for damn sure as mustard.

Vote Labour where you need to in order to keep the Tories out, vote Green where there's no chance of Labour getting in, that's what I say.

And for all those who say "ooh isn't it nice that we're all so jolly different?"

No. It isn't nice. If more people had a social conscience and voted the right way, rather than with the total failure of empathy and imagination you must have to vote Conservative, it'd be a better world. It's not good to have variety if people are WRONG. So there. Nah nah.

I have had a gin and tonic and it takes me this way.

There is a difference between parties for people who have nothing.

Definitely, definitely there is. But right at the moment, I'm OK. Self employed, growing my own little business, which makes a few hundred pounds profit a month, at most- sometimes less. But Universal Credit hasn't reached here yet. If/ when it does, they will assume I'm earning the minimum wage for working a certain amount of hours every month. And take that off my UC (which will also cover Housing Benefit, don't forget).

They will also demand that I input my earnings monthly into some kind of DWP computer system (one that I don't think exists yet) and, if I earn anything over that "minimum income floor", take that off, too. No more evening earnings out over the year, as has always happened.

So, to recap: make money, they take it off my UC. Don't make money, they take it off my UC, too. This is going to devastate anybody attempting to start their own business. And don't forget, the Tories have been actively persuading people to go self employed, in order to massage the employment figures. And now they are going to piss all over these very people.

I might just be OK, because the business has been going several years (around childcare), but I'll probably end up losing a couple of hundred some months. People trying to claw their way out of the poverty trap by starting their own business now? Fucked. Fuckity fucked. They'll have to go back to being unemployed, or risk the roof over their heads.

And then people come on these threads and start spouting off about how the Tories are going to help the poor back to work and destroy the culture of dependency.....THEY ARE SYSTEMATICALLY STAMPING ON THE KNUCKLES OF ANYBODY TRYING TO CLAW THEIR WAY OUT OF POVERTY AND THEN CLAIMING THE EXACT OPPOSITE, and some people, whether through malice or naivete, are choosing to believe them .

I'm not a die hard labour voter but I will be voting for them.
Your reasons not to are crackers.

Destroyed the economy - aka were in government during a global recession, at a time when the conservative party said they would both match government spending and bail out the banks which I suppose would have led to equal 'destruction'. The coalition government have borrowed more in 5 years than labour did in 13 and have missed every one of their own economic targets. Their 'war on welfare' has shat on people yet welfare spending as a proportion of GDP is unchanged.

Joining up with the SNP - I'd prefer the progressive alliance than a Tory/DUP/UKIP alliance of shouting and blaming gay people for the weather. All the SNP want is moderate spending increases and to not spend £100billion on a massive penis extension gun.

Personal attacks on Ed - Seriously? Who gives a fuck how he eats a sandwich? Who looks good eating a sandwich? Why is Russell Brand worse than Rupert Murdoch or Jeremy Clarkson or Katie Hopkins? Why shouldn't he appeal to the 'yoof'? Are the views and concerns of young people illegitimate? And why vote for Shiny Dave after her stabbed David Davis in the back in their democratic leadership election?

Not that I, er....feel strongly about this particular subject or anything.....

Bowlers he seems completely disengaged. The faff about the leader's debates, letting slip he wouldn't go for a third term. He seems completely lacking in passion.

Well Singing I'm really surprised. My job is helping disadvantaged people into work and my experience is different. Perhaps all my clients need to move 100 miles further north.

thanks captainholt you said what i wanted to but with more headings and paragraphs and actual facts which makes it better.

and yes stubborn we should not be embarrassed to feel strongly about this. what else is there to feel strongly about, eh.

I'm still waiting for the OP to explain how Labour 'destroyed the economy'.

I don't care who anyone else votes for, ranting on MN won't change my mind or anyone else's.