To think the supposed Ukip Immigration policy makes complete sense

[QueenOfSouthLondon]

I deciding who to vote and it is definitely not going to be ukip or conservative. But while scrolling all the parties polices on immigration i found Ukips the most sense.

Ukip want an Austrailian points system. My mother came to Britain in 1956 aged just 24 she was a nurse and had a skill. I'm not considering voting ukip but on immigration they have got it right. I think that mass immigration has suppressed wages for the poor and It is wrong to have such a large number. Anyway aibu

I was one of those immigrants expats once. In fact, I was an economic migrant. :) I was never made to feel unwelcome in the many years that I lived there.

It saddens me to see how many British people are willing to believe the racist, xenophobic claptrap spewed out by Farage and his cronies. It's so easy to blame all of our problems on immigrants coming in, but the reality is infinitely more complex. I fear that if the British electorate is ever foolish enough to elect UKIP or its ilk, people will be sorely disappointed with the consequences.

Am completely missing what the racist aspersions are about. UK has much stronger historical & cultural links with commonwealth than with EU. Why is it racist to prefer immigrants who share those links over Europeans who don't?

I only got my job because there was nobody else qualified who applied from within the EU.

Am completely missing what the racist aspersions are about. UK has much stronger historical & cultural links with commonwealth than with EU. Why is it racist to prefer immigrants who share those links over Europeans who don't?

Well for a start the Commonwealth countries quoted by ToadInTheHole in that statement were Canada, Australia & NZ. Not, for example, India, Jamaica & Nigeria.

or perhaps that poster did also mean "What's really crazy is that it's harder for someone from Nigeria, Jamaica and India to come and work in the UK than someone from Latvia or Greece. It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.", and just listed all the majority white population Commonwealth countries by complete coincidence?

Bollocks. Cultural "links" are irrelevant when the easy immigration path isn't reciprocated.
And any perceived link is because they are white and English speaking and just like us. That's why it's racist, because it means you don't want people who are different to come to the UK.

FWIW I actually feel more closely affiliated with other Europeans in terms of shared culture. Did you consider geographical convenience at all, as to why we have such a relationship with Europe?

And what happened to the OP? Thread not going they way you had hoped?

UK has much stronger historical & cultural links with commonwealth than with EU

I also think that many of the Commonwealth nations perceive their historical and cultural links with UK in quite a different light these days.

UK has much stronger historical & cultural links with commonwealth than with EU.

that is debatable. I think you could argue the other way for many countries.

And any perceived link is because they are white and English speaking and just like us.

peculiar that neither singapore nor malaysia (both non-white wealthy nations) are on those lists.

I'm a first generation economic migrant.
I'm exactly the type UKIP wants to chuck out.
Tee hee.

I am well aware of which countries form the commonwealth, thanks.

PP seems to be referring to predominantly White countries though, not Asian ones.

It's a big leap to say that a list of 3 countries reveals a huge prejudice.

Aren't legal, religious & cultural systems of NZ-Canada-Australia a lot closer to Britain than most of the commonwealth?

Not really, if thet are the best examples offered, it says a lot about the thought process.
This isnt really about countries within the commonwealth but the EU above everywhere else and how it shapes our immigration policy.

It isn't even a matter of a preferred nationality or race. We have a trade agreement and a reciprocal migration policy to reflect that. It works funnily enough and the people who think it doesn't tend to either not understand how it works or are too bigoted to get past the fact that people from the EU can move to the UK just because they fancy it.

If you want an example of stupidity within UK immigration you only have to look at how hard it is to bring a non-EU spouse to the UK. It's disgusting.

There are 53 countries in the commonwealth, Toad has picked the whitest three.

Anyway..... Where are all the UKIP sympathisers? Perhaps looking for evidence on Google?

Thanks NoRock you expressed it better than I did!

I'm not commonwealth.
I just landed in the UK and never left.
I have my first ever passport : holiday visa

Ah so you're not EU then either?

If you want an example of stupidity within UK immigration you only have to look at how hard it is to bring a non-EU spouse to the UK. It's disgusting.

if you are european, it's easy to bring a non-eu spouse in. my impression is it is harder for a brit to bring in a non-eu spouse.

What's really crazy is that it's harder for someone from Canada, Australia or New Zealand to come and work in the UK than someone from Latvia or Greece. It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.

but then it's also much harder for someone from the UK to go an live in Canada, Australia and New Zealand than in Latvia or Greece. Or go on holiday. And they do go.

Peachy
Nope. I'm so far down the list that UKIP wish I did not exist.
Ha Ha Ha

But she compared those 3 whitest commonwealth to 2 rather white countries in Europe...? If she meant to be racist wouldn't she at least say Romania or Bulgaria (8.5% popn = Romany) or France/Spain?

One of those commonwealth countries (Aus) has a lot of ethnic Greeks. While the Canadians are about 19% visible minorities, so a lot more ethnically diverse than Latvia.

Yes keepitsimple, it is easier for EU citizens than Brits, but I don't think that should mean it should be harder for EUs to bring their spouses, rather than it shouldn't be so difficult for Brits. I know only too well how hard it is, DH is non-EU.

Stop trying to make it about the commonwealth. Which part of UKIPS "policy" states we should have a special immigration relationship with the commonwealth over the EU. by UKIP ideology surely that would be out of the frying pan and into the fire?!

it is easier for EU citizens than Brits, but I don't think that should mean it should be harder for EUs to bring their spouses,

for sure. I agree. It's not just the hassle for brits, it's the cost. you know it's free to bring in a non-eu spouse for europeans? it should be a scandal.

I think it should be free to bring a spouse here full stop. It's not just the initial visa cost it's the ILR application etc etc

EU citizens get their spouse visas free of charge yet the fees for Brits to bring theirs over are astronomical and keep rising!

If we do leave the EU, I look forward to being able to leave a supermarket without being pestered to buy a Big Issue.

If it wasn't for the hard working immigrants coming to this country it would collapse, you would struggle to buy a coffee or be served a meal in London without them, we have our own business and every time we've tried to employ anyone for a highly paid office job only the easten Europeans have been interested we've employed four over the last twenty years and they are loyal, hardworking and good at their jobs, we've just had to recruit for a new office manager and none of the English eomen who came for the interview wanted the job so we've employed a Portuguese woman who is great, this is a job that pays £600 a week, five weeks holiday and we are really flexible if they are working mums who need time off for child illness and school plays and stuff we even offer school hours only but no English people wanted the job, we need them as much as they need us, saying that it's wrong when they come over just to get as many benefits as they can those loopholes need to be closed