To think the supposed Ukip Immigration policy makes complete sense

[QueenOfSouthLondon]

I deciding who to vote and it is definitely not going to be ukip or conservative. But while scrolling all the parties polices on immigration i found Ukips the most sense.

Ukip want an Austrailian points system. My mother came to Britain in 1956 aged just 24 she was a nurse and had a skill. I'm not considering voting ukip but on immigration they have got it right. I think that mass immigration has suppressed wages for the poor and It is wrong to have such a large number. Anyway aibu

And not all EU migrants are low-skilled seasonal workers.
Highly skilled professionals paying higher rates of tax might be put off living in the UK if they have to faff about with visa applications and jump through hoops to get here.

To reiterate: EU migrants have made a net contribution.
Problems re: schools, NHS, general infrastructure could be addressed by spending less on defence quite frankly.

Peachy visa to take a cheap holiday to Europe???? I don't think so. Get a grip.

Clarinet Sorry for making you do all that Googling

But interesting that there are facts and figures there - will go and have a read later, but no time at the moment as I have to work.

(BTW I'm only here working for a few days, I don't live here!)

Also very interesting to see that those spouting UKIP propaganda have

a) not been able to back up the nonsense they have posted
b) have not come back to the thread

My friend married someone from the US and it took ages for her to be able to come here to live with her husband after the wedding. He was able to support them and she had no trouble finding a job but it was a long process to get her here then a few years later they had to reapply again. As many others have said outside the European it is very hard to move here.

Suisse what do you think allows us to travel to Europe now? It's our EU membership and it's sheer arrogance to think they would still welcome us visa free when we wouldn't reciprocate. It is you who needs a better grip on the workings of freedom of movement.

I agree hesterton

Even travelling to other Commonwealth countries isn't always easy - you need a visa just to travel to Australia, for example.

I still find it crazy why gov's cover up how hard it actually is for non EU professionals to work here.

There is a points system in place already for Non EU's

I have two colleagues from Africa, they can only apply for professional jobs that are shown on the UK Government website and they appear there only if the employer has received NO applications from UK nationals.

In addition there is a benefits embargo for ten years, and that means everything, no child benefit etc nothing. They have to be fully supportive of themselves.

Control of EU people is the tough one and could easily be solved by offering 'reciprocated benefits' eg if in Romania you get $50EU a month thats what you get from the UK gov.

I would argue that the depression of wages is due to the rise of a global economy. If the uk had a shortage of workers willing to work at low pay the vast majority of unskilled jobs would be shipped to where the workers are. The few that remain might be better paid but it would go along with a rise in unemployment.

In a global world reducing immigration simply increases unemployment and reduces the country's income. Low wages are the price we pay for globalisation and historic international inequalities.

What's really crazy is that it's harder for someone from Canada, Australia or New Zealand to come and work in the UK than someone from Latvia or Greece. It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.

immigrant here from a commonwealth country.
incredibly hard and expensive to immigrate here!
I am getting married to a British citizen later this year.
don't agree with this policy, there will be MILLIONS of British having to come back "home"

to the poster up thread who has an aussie husband. ....why on earth did your husband not apply. to naturalise during the 10 years he lived in the UK?! you would not be in such a pickle now if he had.

Toadinthehole
What's really crazy is that it's harder for someone from Canada, Australia or New Zealand to come and work in the UK than someone from Latvia or Greece. It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.

Why is that crazy? You sound racist, not impolite. Am I missing something or do you just think they are more deserving because they are English speaking/commonwealth? We have a RECIPROCAL agreement with the EU. Not with NZ, Aus or Canada. So why should it be easier for them to come here when we can't move there easily?

Iretating of course mass immigration pushes wages down for the poor.

does it? it only does this if most of the people coming in are competing for low paid jobs, giving an oversupply of low wage labour. Is that true? Don't know if there is evidence for this. Basically, whatever slice of the labour market is overrepresented in immigration, be it cleaners, bankers, lawyers or doctors, those people will have their wages dip (all other things being equal). But if immigration broadly reflects all income levels and occupations, then it won't have that effect.

it also assumes that our low paid workers don't leave. the latter may be true. if you are low paid in britain you can collect benefits. greece might be too poor for this.

as to the OPs original question, that depends. I think UKIP is proposing keeping free trade with europe but closing borders. That will hurt rather than help workers here. If you are an employer here, instead of low wage labour coming here, why wouldn't you just move to where wages are lower? instead of workers coming here, jobs will get shipped abroad. Also, brits who are employable in europe can no longer move freely.

I don't think you can take immigration in isolation. Free common market or not. that's the question.

It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.

I think the word you are looking for is racist, not impolite.

and why do you think it's "obviously crazy"?

And immigration (in and of itself) does not put a strain on public services per se. Policy failures and lack of planning and investment does that.

indeed. that's the problem. Lack of housing and school places isn't because there are so many schools on the planet and they are all being used. build them! Jobs! You have to pay people to build schools and houses.

In addition there is a benefits embargo for ten years, and that means everything, no child benefit etc nothing. They have to be fully supportive of themselves.

which is outrageous in my opinion. No brit has to contribute for 10 years before they get benefits.

most immigrant are educated or working or takes jobs that no British people wants.

you might want to read on current statistics and revise your history

www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-january-to-march-2014/immigration-statistics-january-to-march-2014#study-1

@Clarinet: which figures are flawed? (losing track)

This thread is an interesting insight into the thought process behind voting UKIP. A lot of comments show a lack of ignorance about the current immigration process and the difference between EU/ Non EU immigration.

I love that a lot of you are excusing your racist opinions by mentioning your parents/grandparents were immigrants!

I love that a lot of you are excusing your racist opinions by mentioning your parents/grandparents were immigrants!

Indeed.

Exactly. Being second gen immigrants doesn't give you a free pass for racism.

Or knowing lots of foreign people who all think something needs to be done. It just makes you all as racist as each other. Wanting to pull up the drawbridge after entering is both racist and hypocritical actually.

Oxford University report - 2015:

www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/labour-market-effects-immigration

Key points:
The impacts of immigration on the labour market critically depend on the skills of migrants, the skills of existing workers, and the characteristics of the host economy. Research evidence on the labour market effects of immigration is thus always specific to time and place.

UK research suggests that immigration has a small impact on average wages of existing workers but more significant effects along the wage distribution: low-wage workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain.

The wage effects of immigration are likely to be greatest for resident workers who are migrants themselves.

Research does not find a significant impact of overall immigration on unemployment in the UK, but the evidence suggests that immigration from outside the EU could have a negative impact on the employment of UK-born workers, especially during an economic downturn.

For both wages and employment, short run effects of immigration differ from long run effects: any declines in the wages and employment of UK-born workers in the short run can be offset by rising wages and employment in the long run.

What's really crazy is that it's harder for someone from Canada, Australia or New Zealand to come and work in the UK than someone from Latvia or Greece. It is obviously crazy, yet it remains impolite to point this out.

Please come back and tell us why this is so "obviously crazy"? [

hesterton, you're completely right. There are British 'expats' all over the world. Not 'immigrants'. Oh no.