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To think the supposed Ukip Immigration policy makes complete sense

210 replies

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 18:29

I deciding who to vote and it is definitely not going to be ukip or conservative. But while scrolling all the parties polices on immigration i found Ukips the most sense.

Ukip want an Austrailian points system. My mother came to Britain in 1956 aged just 24 she was a nurse and had a skill. I'm not considering voting ukip but on immigration they have got it right. I think that mass immigration has suppressed wages for the poor and It is wrong to have such a large number. Anyway aibu

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JohnCusacksWife · 17/03/2015 21:05

What about the unskilled vacancies? Are you expecting Brits to fill those then?

Of course. Why would this be a bad thing?

ragged · 17/03/2015 21:08

If the thresholds were set that much tighter to get net migration to 20k or whatever is wanted, then it wouldn't be an Aussie style points system (shrug). It'd be something much much tougher.

I reckon if UK leave EU that Britain can't have an Aussie style points system and keep access to EU markets without trade tariffs. Gotta choose one or the other. EU is big & bad without us, so they are the ones who get to call the shots in our trade relationships.

I suppose TTIP might be the saviour for British economy.
My step-mum is Italian, I wonder if I can get an Italian passport thru her :).

alexpolistigers · 17/03/2015 21:10

EmEyeFaive

I submitted my paperwork recently. All nicely signed and stamped. Just in case total idiocy prevails and the UK does leave the EU (I am also a prime candidate to receive an extra nationality)

qazxc · 17/03/2015 21:12

I am an immigrant but have no "skill". So under ukip would not have been allowed in. I did however have means of supporting myself (had job lined up before I moved). This was twenty years ago, I have paid taxes, always worked, spent money within the country. So I think I have benefited the country.

AllTheMadmen · 17/03/2015 21:15

qazxc I am sure you have.

other countries however put a very high value on their own citiziens being able to find jobs and they do everything they can to make sure that job cannot be filled from within first.

so the government puts its people first.

ie oz, NZ canada, amercia etc.

is that a bad thing?

EmEyeFaive · 17/03/2015 21:17

alexpolistigers

So that's 2 less of us sent home Grin

Mind you, how many EU nationals are in Britian married to Brits, compared to Brits living in EU-other married to EU-others ?

We probably just cancel each other out still leaving ... what between 1.5 - 2 million getting marching orders ?

TalkinPeace · 17/03/2015 21:19

Those born in the UK are 5 times more likely to claim benefits than immigrants

if it were not for immigrants, the UK market gardening sector would collapse within a season as British people are not willing to do the work

if the UK did leave the EU and kick all the immigrants out
the 2 million plus UK citizens dotted all over Europe would return
and crash the NHS in a few weeks as most of them are retired and getting elderly and drawing pensions and benefits

whereas the people being kicked out are young and healthy and paying taxes.

Look at Japan to see what happens when a country REALLY clamps down on immigration

no thankyou

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:24

Savoy sounds tricky I had a quick google and couldn't see anything that wasn't about people already living in the UK that might apply (although quite why I thought me using google would find an answer you couldn't I don't know!)

ragged what is TTIP, I think we are talking at cross purposes about a points system, I do however still suspect that most Oz immigration is now from NZ and most of that will be temporary (and of course there are benefit restrictions on those immigrants)

There has been a thread about this before (probably hundreds) but has anyone got a logical explanation as to why we couldn't leave the EU and have a relationship like Sweden or Switzerland? Has the EU commented

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:26

well we had a market gardening sector before 2002 didn't we just 10ish (!) years ago?

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:30

as most of them are retired and getting elderly and drawing pensions

fortunately since the UK gov is presumably already paying them the State pension in France (direct to an EU bank account in Euros with no transfer costs or bank charges google tells me) we will simply benefit from an increased tax take on it instead of the French gov (admittedly I didn't google every EU country)

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:31

yup BIWI has got me googling!!
expatica.com

Notrevealingmyidentity · 17/03/2015 21:31

Australia has a system where people can come for seasonal work. No reason why we couldn't have similar.

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:32

oh my first ever link (but it didn't completely work!)

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:35

OK now everyone has gone and I am talking to myself!

TalkinPeace · 17/03/2015 21:35

Clarinet9
well we had a market gardening sector before 2002 didn't we just 10ish (!) years ago?
Indeed
and the veg industry has been bringing East Europeans in on seasonal visas to do the work since 1971
when they stopped using Gypsies and Irish travellers

Australia is NOT a good comparator because the population density is absolutely tiny compared to the UK

JohnCusacksWife · 17/03/2015 21:35

*Those born in the UK are 5 times more likely to claim benefits than immigrants

if it were not for immigrants, the UK market gardening sector would collapse within a season as British people are not willing to do the work*

Surely this is a major issue though. Why are British born people not prepared to do the work? Too menial, too hard, not well enough paid??

BIWI · 17/03/2015 21:36

Sorry Clarinet! I'm working in Moscow and I'm three hours ahead of you in the UK (assuming that you are!) so I'm off to bed now.

TalkinPeace · 17/03/2015 21:36

All three
UK born get benefits
immigrants don't

OTheHugeManatee · 17/03/2015 21:39

Study showing rises in immigration correlate with a significant fall in semi-skilled and unskilled wages.

No axe to grind here, but there is evidence to support the anecdata.

ZoeReynolds · 17/03/2015 21:44

"Immigrants don't get benefits" ??

That isn't true, is it?

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:44

Sorry Clarinet! I'm working in Moscow and I'm three hours ahead of you in the UK (assuming that you are!) so I'm off to bed now

oh exciting I had no idea you lived there, night

TalkinPeace I didn't know about that, several members of my family have done those kind of jobs a lot in the past, not so for the last 10 or so years, I have no memory of people from Eastern Europe doing that work from the past but ones/my/your memory plays tricks on you as time passes.

We need to be completely clear that an awful lot of benefits are available to immigrants, that really doesn't take long to google

Clarinet9 · 17/03/2015 21:47

"Immigrants don't get benefits" ??

That isn't true, is it?

I think it was a joke!!

Kampeki · 17/03/2015 21:47

These threads just irritate me, because the vast majority of people who comment on immigration issues seem to have so little knowledge or understanding of how the immigration rules work at present. I wish people would read up on the facts first.

ragged · 17/03/2015 21:48

NZ not even in the top 20.
UK still tops list of countries that supplies immigrants to Australia.
Followed by the world's 2 most populous countries, Philipines & South Africa.

Philipines a top country for immigrants to Canada (another points system).

World's most populous countries also lead for supplying immigrants to NZ.

So, is UK ready for total drop of Europeans and instead a trickle influx from those India, China, Philipines?

ZoeReynolds · 17/03/2015 21:48

No, I think TalkIn is serious (?)