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To think the supposed Ukip Immigration policy makes complete sense

210 replies

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 18:29

I deciding who to vote and it is definitely not going to be ukip or conservative. But while scrolling all the parties polices on immigration i found Ukips the most sense.

Ukip want an Austrailian points system. My mother came to Britain in 1956 aged just 24 she was a nurse and had a skill. I'm not considering voting ukip but on immigration they have got it right. I think that mass immigration has suppressed wages for the poor and It is wrong to have such a large number. Anyway aibu

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JanineStHubbins · 17/03/2015 19:16

Oh dear...

I think you need to read a bit more widely. You seem to have an slightly idiosyncratic view of history.

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:19

Well I have a history and economics a level so I do know my own idiosyncratic stuff Janine

Explain your logic that Janine since your have not provided any evidence for your viewpoint as to why MASS immigration does not bring down wages

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QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:21

Who else thinks Janine lives in Islington

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BIWI · 17/03/2015 19:21

Well, you may have an A-level, but someone needs to teach you the difference between 'their' and 'there', as well as 'fewer' and 'less' ... Hmm

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:23

I have mild dyslexia so please do realise some people suffer with letters

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Stratter5 · 17/03/2015 19:24

I've got an A A level Biology

SlaggyIsland · 17/03/2015 19:25

It's hard as nails to immigrate to the UK if you are outside the EU. I doubt my family would even manage tourist visas the way things are at present.
I like that I can go and live and work anywhere within the EU.

JanineStHubbins · 17/03/2015 19:25

If it's all so simple, then why were there lots of unemployed ex-servicemen in Britain, Europe and the United States after WW1? Confused

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:25

Scatter irrelevant and pointless just piss off if you don't want a resonanle debate.

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PeachyParisian · 17/03/2015 19:27

What about the unskilled vacancies? Are you expecting Brits to fill those then? Willingly?

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:28

Because industry was initially relaxed due to the lack of need for factories producing war weopans. Also the fact that industry was destroyed. My mum came here in the 1950s and was paid a high wage relative compared to when nurses were in plenty she was paid less by far.

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PeachyParisian · 17/03/2015 19:29

I thought you must of been an economist with those theories. How can everyone just not get it eh?

QueenOfSouthLondon · 17/03/2015 19:29

Peachy if wages for them jobs were brought up to a living wage then yes I beleive british people would

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thingsarelookingup · 17/03/2015 19:30

I have filled out visa application

BIWI · 17/03/2015 19:30

But you're not giving a reasonable debate, are you?

Where's the proof that immigration pushes wages down the for poor? All you've put forward so far is a very basic 'supply and demand' argument from your A-level economics.

But this is all basic theory. I asked you for evidence that this has actually happened. You know, figures and statistics and all that shiz.

I'd be really interested, actually, in seeing the figures. Genuinely.

JanineStHubbins · 17/03/2015 19:30

'Economics according to my mum' Grin

JanineStHubbins · 17/03/2015 19:31

Where's the proof that immigration pushes wages down the for poor? All you've put forward so far is a very basic 'supply and demand' argument from your A-level economics.

...and based on shoddy historical knowledge

thingsarelookingup · 17/03/2015 19:32

Sorry posted too soon. I have filled out visa applications for the uk and Australia and the Australian ones are much more thorough and difficult to satisfy.

BIWI · 17/03/2015 19:35

Supporters of UKIP and general racists often say 'oh it's impossible to debate the issue of immigration'

But then they never debate it either. Just put forward more myths and statements that prove their ignorance about it.

So if you really do think there's an argument against immigration, let's hear it. Based on facts and statistics and proof. Not just general hyperbole or what you've read in the Daily Mail.

BIWI · 17/03/2015 19:36

And your point is, thingsarelookingup?

EmEyeFaive · 17/03/2015 19:40

We're talking over a million people.

Quite a bit more than a million. About 2.2 million or thereabouts. Hard to tell exactly cos some Brits dig their heels in about registering locally on the basis that there is no equivilent requirement in Britian.

Which means almost as many outgoing as incoming in term of EU-other entering Britian, and Britons going off to live in EU-other.

engeika · 17/03/2015 19:50

Obviously increased immigration drives wages down. More competition for basic jobs. Immigrants often have main house/home in home country with lower cost of living so can undercut locals.

It is now hard to get any job - so many people applying.

Competition for homes is ridiculous - so prices go up.

It makes sense. (Grandchild of immigrants here - won't say where from).

alexpolistigers · 17/03/2015 19:51

As a Brit living in the EU (a registered Brit to boot) I am also curious about what will happen to my status. Especially as I no longer have the right to vote in UK elections, so don't even get the pleasure of voting against UKIP.

JanineStHubbins · 17/03/2015 19:53

Immigrants often have main house/home in home country with lower cost of living so can undercut locals.

Eh?

Viviennemary · 17/03/2015 19:53

A points based system would be no good at all when anyone from any European country can come here. That's why we need to get out of the EU.