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MIL being present at birth - (AIBS rather than AIBU?)

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Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 10:44

Hi ladies,

More of a AIBS (selfish) rather than AIBU (unreasonable)

Due to have a C-section for my 3rd baby (OH's 1st) in July.

Will more than likely be 38 weeks and will definitely be under a general anaesthetic.

OH is not allowed in the room (fair enough) and will wait outside, but has now asked me if (future)MIL can come along.

I understand that he needs support, and (f)MIL is lovely, we get on well.

I'm just in two minds about it - are you even allowed two people there?

Any experiences?

OH said he is very nervous about being a first time Dad and would like the support whilst I am in recovery.

I'm thinking I would like to try and b/feed baby and have skin to skin as soon as I can and I also feel sad that other people will see my baby before me.

Am I being selfish?

OP posts:
Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 14:08

Rightokthen

Why does the fact he is a man mean he doesn't need support?

OP posts:
JellyBabiesSaveLives · 13/03/2015 14:11

So he's going to be there looking after your newborn while you are unconscious for potentially quite a while, while they get you stitched up (took half an hour with my very basic uncomplicated first cs).
And he wants someone with him, naturally, and your MIL is friendly, non-judgemental, and on her third grandchild.
If it was my dh I'd have been insisting that he had someone with him to help care for my precious baby Smile. Your MIL sounds like a great person to do that job.
Just make sure she knows she will be going home when dp & baby come through to you in recovery.
Could you maybe talk to her about how you're a bit sad/jealous? Just so she remembers to be tactful!
I had ds2 under ga. He went to NICU and I went to ICU and I didn't see him for 3 days. The world and their aunt got to see him before I did, but he was being cuddled by people who loved him. sometimes you just have to deal with the practicalities of the situation.

grannytomine · 13/03/2015 14:13

To people saying the OP needs support not her husband. I have had several operations, one being a C section. My husband hasn't had surgery but three of my children have, one having surgery twice and one having surgery three times. I found their operations more upsetting than mine, and I found their operations more upsetting than they did. As someone said earlier, sorry can't remember names, seeing someone having a GA is horrible, to me it look much more like they died than they had gone to sleep.

OP just wondered where your other children fit in? Everyone seems to be going on about just the two of you with the baby but will the other children be part of the bonding?

SylvaniansAtEase · 13/03/2015 14:14

No. Just no.

It's a private moment. It's very important and a very private time.

I actually think it's really important that you do say no. Maybe it will help him realise something he doesn't now, but will afterwards - this isn't simply about having support while someone is in hospital, it is the moment where he becomes a father, where for the first time private FAMILY big moments are happening where he isn't the child of the family, he's the father.

Yes he should be there, alone, just HIM, for YOU and his baby. Not his mother.

And she should absolutely not see the baby before you. Just no way, no how. That's utterly wrong.

Personally, I think that afterwards - although he'll be scared and worried - he'll look back and be glad that you asked him to step up in his new role, and glad that this moment was ONLY about you, him and your baby.

Anomaly · 13/03/2015 14:16

I've had three sections, yes the third took the longest but that was the stitching up not the getting baby out. No way would I want anyone other than my DH because mil and my mum would never let me forget they saw my baby first. No way would either of them leave once baby was there. They would only leave once I was in recovery and baby and DH in with me, that could be quite a while.

If my DH really felt he needed support then I would have suggested people I know wouldn't crow over seeing the baby first. His best mate for instance would totally get it.

Beautifulbabyboy · 13/03/2015 14:17

OP this is how I would think about it. You love your children more than anything else in the world. You want them to be surrounded by love from the moment they are born. What better way than them to be held and loved by their father and nanna whilst you wake up. Then when you do wake up nanna kisses baby goodbye and leaves you to it. You MIL sounds nice, so stop thinking of giving the baby to a nurse to hold and think about all the love the baby is going to feel. Smile

Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 14:17

grannytomine

They will be coming up to meet baby after school Smile

DD has been with us to a scan, which she loved! DS is 12 he's all "meh, it can't play XBOX yet" ha!

OH will be looking after the children when he gets home from the hospital.

I am desperately hoping for a 24 hour release.

JellyBabiesSaveLives You are right, it doesn't matter who sees him, as long as he is being looked after.

I feel sad reading that you didn't see your baby for 3 days, that must have been desperately sad for you Sad

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SaucyJack · 13/03/2015 14:19

It's your call. Go with whatever option you feel most comfortable.

Childbirth (by whatever method) is not the time for sexual equality.

Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 14:21

I'm not even sure what I am comfortable with!

I guess I have a while to mull it over yet.

But as you can see from the difference of opinions by this thread alone, it's not an easy decision to make at all.

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grannytomine · 13/03/2015 14:21

I wish people would stop saying this will happen or that will happen. Hospitals are different, someone said he will be waiting by a bed shaped space and the baby will be brought to him. How do you know? That isn't what happened with me.

My husband was still standing in the room where I had been labouring when a midwife wheeled baby, unwashed, in to give her to him. He then walked down to the ward with midwife and baby and he was helped to bath and dress her. He was then left sitting waiting for me to arrive.

I was left in recovery till I was awake as someone else said will happen. I was taken to the ward still asleep, as soon as my eyes fluttered my husband put her in my arms and before I was properly awake he was undoping my gown and putting her to the breast, as he knew I wanted to feed asap.

Honestly hospitals do things in a variety of ways. None of us know exactly how things will be done in a hospital we don't know the name of.

grannytomine · 13/03/2015 14:24

Number3, my sons were a bit older when their sister was born. They absolutely adored her and I was told she was a great pull with girls, apparently would you like to see my baby sister is much more effective than would you like to come and see my etchings.

Try not to overthink it, I think those of us who had an emergency section are luckier as we didn't have time to worry and by the time you get to that stage just happy the baby is OK.

Your MIL sounds nice, don't you think she would be happy to wait with your DH and then disappear. I would certainly do that for my DIL.

Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 14:25

grannytomine

She'd probably be happy to - I will speak to them both.

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grannytomine · 13/03/2015 14:32

Would you be happy with that? It does seem a good compromise if you can convince him he will be OK with the baby till you wake up, in my case I came round quite quickly. I was told that they don't give too much anaesthetic as they don't want to cause problems with the baby so that was why I woke up quickly, don't know if its true as I tend to come round quickly anyway.

With my second I was to ante natal classes and I was the first to have my baby, the other mums were first timers. At one week old my baby was passed round to give everyone confidence that they would be OK holding a baby. Anyone who could do that with your DH.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 13/03/2015 14:35

A routine, planned C-section is not the same as an emergency, 'crash' section. In the latter, speed is of the essence, because either the baby or the mother is in trouble.

In a planned section, things move at a slower pace - induction can take 5 minutes, maybe more. Then prepping and draping happens, suction and diathermy (the machine used to seal off small blood vessels) are connected up, and only then does the surgeon put knife to skin. He or she will take more time making the incision and going through the layers of tissue than they can if it is a crash section. So it can take appreciably longer from the time when the patient is taken off to theatre to the point when the baby is delivered.

Obviously they don't hang around, but it is a more measures process the a crash section, so the OP's dh will be on his own for longer than if she was whisked away for a crash section.

And I do not understand why 'a grown man' is not allowed to be stressed, worried or anxious when his beloved wife is having their baby by Caesarian. Like I said earlier - if someone didn't care or worry about a loved one having major surgery, they'd be a bit heartless, wouldn't they?

CrystalCove · 13/03/2015 14:46

Look, he doesn't need support. He's a grown man

So his wife is going through major surgery and you think he doesnt need support because hes a "grown man". Would you be anxious if someone you loved was going through major surgery? Or should you just "woman up", youre a "grown woman".

OfaFrenchMind · 13/03/2015 14:48

It looks like you have a very sweet family, and congratulation on your future baby.

Is is possible to have a privacy screen? this way you and your Husband can be together, but when it becomes too much and you cannot reassure your husband, he can go see his mum?

Number3cometome · 13/03/2015 14:52

OfaFrenchMind

He can't be in the room at all, I will be under a general anaesthetic.

And thank you Smile

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AlPacinosHooHaa · 13/03/2015 16:09

I also feel for you op, I also feel for your DH I would also be worried if my DH had gone for surgery, things do go wrong ( i have had section) so yes, he has every bloody right to be worried and esp as its his first! My DH was worried coming with me, etc. I feel for you both of course compromise is for her to be with him, and he sees baby alone.

I guess as someone said he needs to know, once that baby is in his arms....he will become natural, really, he doesn't want his mother - in the nicest possible way to ruin that for him either...that moment ....you don't want fussing and hold the head...

differentnameforthis · 14/03/2015 01:55

He is there to support you. He doesn't therefore need a support of his own.

What an outdated view! You could say that the medical staff are there to support op, so why does she need her dh there?

No way should your MIL see your baby before you. Just no way. Why? My MIL saw my baby before my dh did. She was in the theatre with me, she cut the cord, she held her first, she carried her to dh. He says it made no difference to him who saw dd first.

No way would I want anyone other than my DH because mil and my mum would never let me forget they saw my baby first That just makes them ugly people, that doesn't mean that no one else is allowed support! My dh had my friend there at my first section (crash) and he said he was relieved! My friend never mentioned ONCE that she saw my baby before me, but then again I didn't see her for over 12 hours (and then it was only for 10minutes), so by the time I did see her, I didn't really care who saw her before me, as an entire SCBU team had held her, changed her, fed her etc. And I had an entire life time ahead with her.

If my DH really felt he needed support then I would have suggested people I know wouldn't crow over seeing the baby first. His best mate for instance would totally get it. Well maybe, in this case his mum would totally get it? You suggest that it would be OK for a best mate to be there, not a MIL, which makes it sound anti-MIL to me.

I wish people would stop saying this will happen or that will happen I agree. My dh said that dd was wheeled out, he (and friend) saw her for a seconds before she was wheeled to SCBU. Where dh followed.

In a planned section, things move at a slower pace Exactly. For dd2 I went into prep at 8am, dd was delivered at 8.45am & we were all reunited with dh at 9.30am. So 90 minutes he was on his own, compared to what he says was (a lifetime) 15 or so before he saw dd1.

HicDraconis · 14/03/2015 02:24

Obviously every hospital is different. In mine I welcome birth partners into theatre whether you're having a spinal or a general anaesthetic. The obs anaesthetists association debated this one about 10 years ago and the majority view was that the father should be allowed in (with the proviso that if he were to be asked to leave, he went without arguing).

If my DH were to be undergoing major surgery, I'd be worried from the moment he went in to theatre to the moment I was allowed to be with him in recovery. Any support offered from family members would be hugely appreciated. For your DH, this is his first experience of childbirth and so he is going to be worried about both you and your baby, I can understand him wanting to have some support there himself while you're asleep.

They can keep the baby in theatre with you while you're asleep, the midwife just has to stay in there to look after it while the operation continues. In practice most fathers want to see their child as soon as possible which is why the baby is allowed out to be with them until you wake up.

In most places once you are awake you will be allowed one birth partner with you and the baby in recovery.

Don't be surprised if you are prepped, draped, catheterised etc while still awake. Many of us follow that pattern and don't give the anaesthetic drugs until the very last minute (surgeon standing there poised with blade) to minimise the time you spend asleep (during which time the baby is also getting some of the anaesthetic) before delivery. Elective GA caesars I always wait for the catheter, painting and draping (none of which are painful, just a bit cold) before I get the patient off to sleep. The surgeon then waits until I give the go ahead that the airway is safe before they start cutting.

You can't have a "lighter" anaeshetic. You are either awake or asleep and will be given enough anaesthetic to make sure you are asleep. Some people wake up faster than others. Sometimes they use monitoring to check how asleep you are, sometimes not - I tend to, but I use it for most things.

You're not being selfish to want to be the first person to see / cuddle your baby. But your DH isn't being selfish to want some support when the woman he loves undergoes major surgery to have his child. I don't know if compromises like "can she wait until baby comes out and then go away" would work - for one, would she be able to go away knowing her son was holding his precious first born, without a quick sneak peek / cuddle? Would your DH want her to go and leave him literally holding the baby or would he be too nervous? I think this is just one you'll have to talk out. Be honest with your DH and your (f)MiL about how you're feeling, don't suppress any jealousy or resentment or upset, because if you do it'll come back to bite you later. See if with honest talking, you can come up with a solution that allows your DH some support and you some reassurance.

You'd all hate where I work. Caesar theatre has a family viewing room with large window - parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, friends, you name it we've had them in the whanau room, with one family member in theatre. Definitely a spectator sport / family event over here. I think the most we've had in one delivery room is about 50.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 14/03/2015 03:07

I don't understand why MiL being there to support DH is such a terrible idea Confused Lots of other people will get to see your baby before you in these circumstances, I'm afraid

differentnameforthis · 14/03/2015 03:24

HicDraconis Brilliant post!

Turquoisetamborine · 14/03/2015 03:59

I slept for six hours after my emergency CS under GA. I'd laboured for 48 hours before that with no sleep so no one could rouse me. I had frightening seizures as well which H witnessed so I'm glad he had my mam there for support as he was handed a baby outside of theatre and everyone rushed back in to stabilise me.
I wouldn't have wanted my MIL there but that's because of how she is. If she was a nice normal person I wouldn't have cared who was there to support H. I was so out of it for the first day with the GA that I needed someone to help H care for the baby as I wasn't capable. It was only the next day I felt well enough to bf. It doesn't matter who saw him first. He's been my baby ever since.
I'm having a planned CS under hopefully local anaesthetic this time but I still want my mam there as well as H.

DontDrinkandFacebook · 14/03/2015 04:23

I think he should be able to have his mother with him while you are under the GA and the CS is being performed if he feels he wants and needs that support, yes. And I think it's mean and unreasonable to tell him he cannot have that support.

BUT: I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask that she does not attempt to see the baby or you, until you feel ready, and certainly not until after you've had some time to bond with the baby yourself.

Once the baby is born and DP is allowed in to the room she needs to be clear that she must leave at that point and not return until invited to by you. If she's a nice, reasonable woman with half a brain cell she'll be perfectly fine with that.

however · 14/03/2015 05:51

The person not giving birth doesn't need support. Really.