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AIBU to ask you for help to get pic of OW?

211 replies

Takebackcontrol · 12/10/2014 02:43

This is perhaps a request too far for our little nest of vipers but what the hell - if you don't ask, you don't get. I hope someone out there can get a pic of my STBX with the OW?!

I left my abusive husband around 10 weeks ago with the suspicion that, aside from being a selfish, financially abusive twat, he may also have been having an affair. It took months of planning and secrecy and I left with the shirt on my back, some kids toys and the photograph albums under my arm.

I left him in the beautiful 3 storey, 4 bedroom house while I rent somewhere smaller with the children (as he can't afford 2 houses and I receive housing benefit now). He maintains he is devastated by our split and is so destitute that he can't afford to pay full child maintenance or for a babysitter when he mysteriously often needs to hand the children back early when it's his day to have them. Yet only 5 weeks later a car has been parked outside of my house (overnight) for a few times a week ever since. He was due to go on a 'fishing trip' with a friend who is paying for him, this weekend. I was convinced by a friend to let myself back into the house before he left and while he was at work to see if I could find any bullshit as it might stop me going so easy on him.

I reluctantly did and I found row upon row of new shoes, Hawaiian shirts and shorts, linen trousers, a passport and a suitcase all set out neatly ready for his 'fishing' trip the following day. I also found a new £500 amplifier, a new £470 games console and a bank statement showing thousands in a tax rebate and a £150 jewellery shop transaction from a week before I left him one morning before he went to work. But no sign of OW being there.

I quietly let myself out and kept quiet until he went away. I returned yesterday and the gods were smiling down on me. In his rush to leave, the arsehole had left the front door not only unlocked, but ajar. I felt it was a sign! Plus I prevented him from being burgled! This time, I found a cheap, dirty pink jacket in the kitchen along with her clothes balled up behind the bedroom door and a lovely list of 'things to do' and flight details left by hubby. She had also blatantly left her car stuck outside my house which will now be there for the week. Lovely. I've already had a few suggestions about what I might do to it but keep 'em coming.

As it's miles away and I'll be stuck with the kids, I am praying that there is someone out there near Gatwick next Friday night who might do a spot of candid camera for me. I don't know why I want it or what good it will do but I feel like it's just something I need. I would love to greet him there but would never do that to the kids.

It's not something I want him to be aware of as I have a few surprises for him when he gets back. I've sent a simple text to let him know about the door and how I've checked to make sure nothing is missing and locked up for him. He doesn't have signal where he's 'fishing' so probably can't call the kids while he's away.

Please do get in touch if you'd like the flight details and his picture? I can't afford a private investigator and the might of mumsnet might be a better choice! Anyone?

OP posts:
papercliplover · 12/10/2014 11:50

I wonder what would happen if I posted

"My ex is letting himself into my house and opening my post and looking in my wardrobe. His name is not on the deeds, he has moved out and is living elsewhere"

Fairenuff · 12/10/2014 11:51

People would tell you to 'lose' your keys and get your locks changed paper.

firesidechat · 12/10/2014 11:53

Honestly paperclip the fact that her name isn't on the deeds is irrelevant.

The whole story is just strange.

papercliplover · 12/10/2014 11:56

Fireside - well it's hardly irrelevant since by her own admission that's what lets her claim housing benefit Confused

firesidechat · 12/10/2014 11:58

Well that's what I mean about it being strange. If she was so hell bent on revenge and getting strangers to take photographs then why not just stay in the marital home? The op doesn't sound like a pushover.

papercliplover · 12/10/2014 12:01

I agree. And she's been and had legal advice and from what I can see that advice has been less than stellar. I am utterly confused.

juneau · 12/10/2014 12:01

It took months of planning and secrecy and I left with the shirt on my back, some kids toys and the photograph albums under my arm.

So why not go and get your stuff while he's away? Including the tent and whatever else you left behind. I bloody would.

He maintains he is devastated by our split and is so destitute that he can't afford to pay full child maintenance or for a babysitter when he mysteriously often needs to hand the children back early.
I also found a new £500 amplifier, a new £470 games console and a bank statement showing thousands in a tax rebate and a £150 jewellery shop transaction from a week before I left him one morning before he went to work.

I would also be using his absence to gather evidence of his solvency. He's telling everyone how skint he is, yet he's taken his mistress on holiday and has apparently been on a spending spree since you left. I'd be taking pictures and photocopies of anything I could lay my hands on that proves he's a lying shit, if it was me.

Fairenuff · 12/10/2014 12:03

The scary thing about this thread is someone posting in the first place to ask strangers (who are likely to be female) to go to a specified location at a specified time.

Hoping that someone will be naive enough to put themselves in that position Shock

basgetti · 12/10/2014 12:05

You are allowed as a lone parent to claim housing benefit as a lone parent even if you jointly own the former marital home. It is disregarded as capital for the first 26 weeks and you can also be given leeway for longer if you are going through divorce proceedings or attempting to sell. OP is not committing benefit fraud.

LadySybilLikesCake · 12/10/2014 12:05

Don't go into the house and take things, seriously. You need to go through the legal channels. For all you know he could call the Police and say you broke in and took XYZ while he was away. Photocopies of his spending habits, however, will drop him in it if you ever take him to court and he pleads poverty.

LittlePeaPod · 12/10/2014 12:07

I agree. And she's been and had legal advice and from what I can see that advice has been less than stellar. I am utterly confused.

Paper. I am assuming you are a lawyer or work in the legal environment based on your assessment of the legal advice Op has received this far. Maybe you could represent her pro bono?

firesidechat · 12/10/2014 12:09

The scary thing about this thread is someone posting in the first place to ask strangers (who are likely to be female) to go to a specified location at a specified time.

Hoping that someone will be naive enough to put themselves in that position shock

Couldn't agree more. The other aspects of this story have overshadowed the title of this thread. What if some naive and vulnerable person had agreed. It doesn't bare thinking about. We also only have the ops word that this is her husbands girlfriend that she wants photographed and that the op is a wronged wife.

papercliplover · 12/10/2014 12:09

LittlePeaPod - I am not a family lawyer. I am, however, more than happy to do some research for the OP and present her with my findings pro bono should she wish me to. She is more than welcome to pm me. I would assume, however, since she thinks she should have been a researcher herself, and has a lawyer on the case already, that she is more than happy with the advice she presently has received.

Bogeyface · 12/10/2014 12:10

How is she committing benefit fraud?

She is renting a house after seperating from her husband, she has no income and is entitled to claim HB. The fact that she has a right to enter and remain at the marital home if she so chooses does not mean that her claim is fraudulent. She is not on the deeds and she is not living there, but it is still the marital home and she has a right to enter it.

As long as she told them exactly what the situation is then her claim isnt fraudulent at all!

The only time it could be considered fraud is if the house sells and she gets her inheritance/share of equity out of it and doesnt inform them if the the amount is over the savings disregard.

OP, just because he has debts doesnt mean that any available equity will go to clear them. A court will decide the fairest split (or mediation but that probably wont work if he is financially abusive) and you will receive that, he will have to pay his debts out of his half and if thats not enough, well tough.

wannabestressfree · 12/10/2014 12:17

Now you know he is going abroad and has a large rebate then at least claim the right level of maintenance.

Say no to children being dropped back early 'I am sorry I am busy'

You are a better person than me though. I would at least of hid his passport (petty)

wannabestressfree · 12/10/2014 12:18

She can claim housing benefit. I did it. She isn't on deeds to house.

LittlePeaPod · 12/10/2014 12:18

Right, so you are not a lawyer, a solicitor, barristar etc.? Have you any legal training to judge the advice that actual solicitors she as seen have given her? Not sure random google research would be "best advice" really!

Bogeyface · 12/10/2014 12:21

I have to say I would have pinched his passport too Blush

AimlesslyPurposeful · 12/10/2014 12:24

Oh me too Bovey.

Well, I wouldn't have pinched it but I might have accidentally dropped it behind a radiator.

juneau · 12/10/2014 12:26

Okay, so don't take the tent. But do use this week wisely to gather evidence for the court battle to come. You already know your ex is abusive, so you need to tool up. Anything you can gather in terms of evidence of his financial abuse or lying about his financial status could be to your advantage. And if you can photocopy documents, carefully photograph them with your phone or a digital camera.

Sallyingforth · 12/10/2014 12:30

This story just doesn't add up.
Why did the OP move out at all? She has every right to stay in the marital home with the children, and if the husband is abusive he must be the one to move out.

Takebackcontrol · 12/10/2014 12:35

wannabestressfree - I was so tempted but, no! Also, I am trying to be stronger and say no to his requirements etc. I am slowly beginning to remember the strong women I was before I met him.

My situation is completely above board and I said earlier, the solicitor said it actually worked in my favour that I'm not on the deeds/accounts/credit cards/loans etc as I am entitled to claim. Any equity will only amount to £5-10k each, if that, I would say.

Bogeyface - that's interesting about the split of money... I'll look into that further.

I had planned on returning at some point to take the rest of my things as I've been waiting for him to 'have time' to get them to me (they require a van for shelves etc that we've agreed I can take) while he's away. Now I think I'll just post the key, leave a child maintenance letter and move the gate latch down so he has to climb over. It'll be more secure anyway.

Let him deal with the idea that I know he's not as cut up as he seems when he gets back. At least he can't plead the poverty card anymore and we can be above board that he wants to see his girlfriend when he brings the kids back early - at least we can talk about it like adults.

Must crack on with my day. It's certainly been an interesting conversation and for all the highs and lows, I know things can be taken out of context when we're using text rather than a face to face chat but I guess that's the nature of this site.

Thanks again ladies (and gents). :-)

OP posts:
ShirleyYoureNotSerious · 12/10/2014 12:38

"My inheritance came in a few weeks after the house was bought and was immediately transferred to him (as per the financial abuse) to pay for house and garden things etc. It was also partially given back to his parents who'd helped out on the deposit."

*Takebackcontrol,

How is it financial abuse to put money into your family home? Why is it abusive for you to repay money loaned to you for the deposit on the house that you and your DC lived in at the time and which, we've you still have a financial claim upon despite moving out with the DC?

I guess your estranged husband paid the lion's share of the mortgage and bills (you said that your own earnings are limited)? Where's the abuse in you putting in something to the house you and the children, who are as much your responsibility as they are to your ex, were and had been benefiting from for some time?

I'm not saying you're lying. I just don't "get" it.

Fairenuff · 12/10/2014 12:39

I think the legal advice is being questioned because it's more usual for the children to stay in the marital home with whichever parent is their main carer.

Greengrow · 12/10/2014 12:45

I was thinking loads of equity in the house but if it's only £10k then getting back into the house and excluding him (perfectly legally possible - she could do it this week when he is away) may not be the right solution. Presumably she can get a better full time job soon too to stop the burden on we tax payers of funding her housing benefit.

The wife does have a right of occupation in the matrimonial home under English law and if housing benefit are going by who is on the deeds they are wasting a whole load of tax payer money by getting the law wrong. They need better lawyers.