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Next door neighbour's kid - WWYD?

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Beavie · 05/09/2014 19:52

Aaaargh! I'm in a tricky situation here. I moved into a HA house a few months ago, and I've never lived on an estate before so I'm really not sure how to deal with this.

I have 2 dds age 4 and 10. NDN's daughter is 8, we'll call her H. A while after we moved in, in late spring, H started coming around to play with dd2. Dd1 finds H extremely annoying and if H is here then dd1 just shuts herself in her room (to be fair, she does this quite a lot even if H isn't here...she loves reading and is happiest holed up with a book).

Our back gardens are tiny and for some reason both of my neighbours have gates going into my garden from theirs. So H has direct access into my garden, and my back door is usually open so she just turns up in our house.

For the first month or two, it wasn't an issue that H was here as she did a good job of entertaining dd2, who is really full on, and she very polite and well behaved. H's parents very rarely take her anywhere or do anything with her, and she tells me that before we lived here she would just always be in her room by herself. By contrast, I get out and about with the kids as much as possible, we do stuff like geocaching, swimming, lots of walks and dd2 is lucky enough to have a pony at my DM's place not far away so we spend a fair bit of time there. So I do feel sorry for H, and have taken her out with us quite a lot since we've known her.

The amount of time H spends here soon got out of hand though. Literally as soon as we got home, she would be here, or as soon as we woke up in the morning and I opened the back door for the dog, she'd appear. As she got to know us better, I began to see the more annoying parts of her personality. E.g. she lies, a LOT, stupid little things but it happens all the time. And instead of hanging out with dd2, she started trailing around after me all the time. Literally everywhere. I can't get a moment's peace from her. And she talks, and talks and talks, inane stuff, so a 5 minute sit down where I would plan to sit and check my emails etc, i now have H sitting right next to me wittering on. Even while I eat my dinner, she's there chattering away.

I am a LP, and my youngest dd doesn't see her dad so I have her all the time. I find it hard to get the emotional energy for my own dc, and now it really does feel like I have 3, not 2. I think H has also started to consider herself as part of the furniture here too, and gets jealous if I go somewhere without her, e.g. if we go to see the pony. I do sometimes put my foot down and just firmly tell her we are not taking her, but I find it difficult as she looks so disappointed, and then dd2 kicks off because she wants H to come too. And I can't really give her a good reason as to why She can't come, apart from the fact that she does my nut in and I just don't want her to!

I feel really sorry for H that her own parents do fuck all with her, and it's sad that a lot of her lies seem to be about stuff that she is going to do, e.g. She'll turn up in the morning and say that she is going swimming or bowling later, when I know that it's not true. It's like she has a fantasy existence. But at the same time, it drives me mad that I've become responsible for entertaining her. How do I handle this?

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DamnBamboo · 05/09/2014 19:55

I feel very sorry for this little girl, she is clearly desperate for attention.
However, you must put firm boundaries in place here and simply say that you are spending 'family' time today and that she can come back another time.

DraggingDownDownDown · 05/09/2014 19:58

Lock on the gate on your side for a start

Waltonswatcher · 05/09/2014 19:59

Assert yourself for gods sake ! She'll drive you to loathe the home which should be your sanctuary . Winters coming and its time to lock the door and draw the curtains . Make visible statements to back up ' I'm sorry we are busy , see you soon '.
She'll forgive you and soon learn the new rules if you are consistent .

WalkingWolf · 05/09/2014 20:00

To start with, you need a lock in the gate.

I have a similar problem with a neighbours child and at first I was very polite but in the end I got fed up. You just have to be firm and put your foot down.

WitchWay · 05/09/2014 20:01

This would drive me berserk YADNBU

have you spoken to her parents about it? Do you get on with them? Could some sort of compromise be reached?

NoWayYesWay · 05/09/2014 20:03

You need to start telling her what is acceptable for you. Tell her when she can come and stick to it. I would also tell her she isn't allowed into your garden if she is not invited. If you drastically cut down the time you see her you will hopefully find that you forget her bad points and see her good qualities again.

Pull her up on any lies she tells or if she is being manipulative. You can do this is a friendly but firm manner.

I think you are being a bit daft (sorry Smile ) if you let her do what she wants all the time and I also think you are being unfair on your own children.
She is old enough to understand.
(I'd also put a lock on the garden gates for security reasons...

Beavie · 05/09/2014 20:03

I could lock the gate but it's only about adult hip height, and she can climb over it.

I'm hoping that as the nights draw in and the doors and curtains are closed she won't be over so much. Also I start a degree in couple of weeks and my own dc will be in after school club most days, so on those days we will be getting back late and I will have not much time to feed, bath and get the dc to bed so hopefully it will just be the weekends that are an issue!

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Beavie · 05/09/2014 20:08

Her mum did say a couple of times when she first started coming over that if I get fed up with her to just send her back round, but that's easier said than done. I think her parents have actually come to rely on me having her, for example yesterday her mum had gone out, her dad was asleep (works nights), and she was waiting for us in the garden after school. She was here until about 7.30 last night when I finally sent her home. What would her parents have done if I hadn't come back that day? :/

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DamnBamboo · 05/09/2014 20:09

OP, forgot to say.
I have a similar, although not as bad problem with a child near me.

He constantly knocks and then tries to blackmail my son emotionally to play with him as I have three DC (4 if you include DSD who is much olders and comes at weekends) and so he bangs on about his it not being fair and him being lonely, knowing that there's generally something going on here.

However, whislt I am sympathetic to that - he is entitled, rude and doesn't listen to instructions or respect our house rules. He is often given the short shrift and his behaviour has improved somewhat and he has stopped being so manipulative.

It ain't great but what can you do!

Beavie · 05/09/2014 20:13

It's hard isn't it...though she isn't like that, apart from the fibbing which is generally made up stuff about things she owns or does in her fantasy world, she is very well behaved. It would be easier if she was naughty as I would have reasons to tell her to to away!

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Littlef00t · 05/09/2014 20:19

As a first step I'd make it clear to her that your kids aren't playing in the evenings and that the weekends are mostly family time.

pictish · 05/09/2014 20:21

You just have to be firm...and you can do that pleasantly.
So...if she turns up as soon as the door is open for the dog in the morning, say "H...I'm afraid we're not ready for a visitor yet, it's too early. Come back in a couple of hours."
And keep doing it, until she is in your house only when it suits you.

You'll have to pull up your big girl pants and put a stop to her constant intrusion. It'll drive you mad otherwise!!

whois · 05/09/2014 20:36

The fibbing just seems like she is trying to convince herself her parents are so shit!

Tricky one. She isn't your problem but if DD2 enjoys having her round and she's not rude or anything.

I'd probably go for a 'firm but consistent and fair' approach. As in give her limited times when she can come round 'uninvited', or if that really annoys you then say she can only come round if DD2 calls on her.

evelynj · 05/09/2014 21:02

Why don't you when you send her away, ask her to come for a morning tea party or something in a couple of days time. Just to spare her feelings a bit-she will be hurt. Yy to 'not ready for visitors yet' in the morn

Also if she asks why, explain about needing more quiet most of the time for studying. Good luck, difficult situation...

bikermouse1 · 05/09/2014 21:08

Poor lonely child.
Sad
I'd love to think that you're going to go the route suggested by all those above of pleasantly but firmly establishing a timetable/boundaries of contact, particularly since school has begun.

And if she becomes a horsey type little girl, fgs sign her up on the poo-picking rota before someone else nabs herGrin

BornFreeButinChains · 05/09/2014 21:17

The poor little thing, not sure what you can do I totally understand you already feel drained.

I am wondering if you can invest some time in her - to long term get her off your back.

Just something like, does she read books? Does she go to any clubs, Brownies, Rainbows, perhaps you could ask and see if there was a way to sign her up, does she like craft? Rainbow Looms? Can she garden, would she weed for you>

I think children of that age like to be helpful.

If this was me, I would be working like mad to find a hobby for her, reading would be best as so time consuming and should give her comfort from her home life.

I would slowly start to put times in place, and explain nicely I love having her round, but that I have to do things and am short of time, so I will have to start limiting the time she spends with you.

If you could get her into brownies, it would help to increase her social circle and give her more focus.

Beavie · 05/09/2014 21:18

Thanks for the responses. I think I will have to endure things as they are for the next couple of weeks, but use that time to start prepping her for the fact that when I'm at uni things are going to change and she won't be able to come round most evenings. Maybe a compromise would be that she can come over on Wednesdays as I should be home early on those days.

I just feel so sorry for her. Her parents both smoke in the house too so at least I've saved her lungs a bit over the last few months!

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BornFreeButinChains · 05/09/2014 21:20

making it one time a week is a good idea, poor little mite. it will give her something to look forward too.

try and help her discover new interests.

vrocket · 05/09/2014 21:23

I feel really sorry for you AND her.
But ultimately she isn't your responsibility...
I'd lock the gate (it seems more.. intrusive? her climbing over?), and then when she does appear I would find excuses why she couldn't stay for very long, or send her away and tell her to come back on x day or whatever.
You seem very kind, and she clearly enjoys your company rather then that of her parents, which is really sad.
Maybe if you involved her in a special activity once a week or fortnight or something?
Will give her something to look forward to, while keeping her at bay the rest of the time?

Very, very difficult situation, good luck!

Beavie · 05/09/2014 21:25

It's a nice thought, bornfree, but I can't commit to taking her to any activities as I won't be home until 6pm most days soon. And there's no way her parents would do it. They also have a puppy who is about 6 months and rarely goes for a walk, it just stays in the very small back garden. H is fed and has clean clothes, and their house is like a new pin, her parents are obsessed with cleanliness. If only they invested some of their cleaning time into doing stuff with their child. At least in a couple of years or so she will be old enough to go a bit further afield to call on friends which will brighten up her life a bit.

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pictish · 05/09/2014 21:31

See...all these suggestions of taking her to activities, helping her to discover new interests and inviting her to a tea party....they're all kind hearted and well intentioned...but really...who has the time or the inclination really? As in really.

Beavie · 05/09/2014 21:32

That's a good idea vrocket, maybe I could soften the blow a bit by taking her riding at least once at the weekends. That said, I like to keep my weekends quite free and easy and I don't want to make promises I can't keep or feel like I have to turn down social events or doing things with my own dc in order to keep that promise. It's tricky.

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Beavie · 05/09/2014 21:34

Exactly Pictish! I will be studying 40+ hours a week as a lone parent and also doing placements. Time and energy is going to be in short supply here!

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Sparklypants · 05/09/2014 21:36

Name change here

I have a similar problem.

My DS and I can't step foot in our back garden without ndn dc demanding to play. They're both close in age (pre school age). my DS is quite happy to play alone and he's equally happy to play with ndn dc (at the moment, I can see this changing as he gets older) The problem is ndn dc is very bossy and can end up being quite mean to DS. Ndn dc doesn't seem to be able to play alone and constantly demands to come over, ect. It's exhausting because I can't just leave them to play. The last time I did ndn dc tried to force my DS leg the wrong way on a bike till he was crying with pain and trapped him in a playhouse and wouldn't let him out. ( the only reason ndn dc did in the end was because I heard him crying and went out), these are only examples, there are many more instances of being deliberately mean to my DS (but I don't want to out myself!)
Ndn dc is very assertive and doesn't like my DS not doing what he is told. Ndn dc will literally scream in DS face till he is crying. It's horrible Sad

I know I need to say something to ndn but it's so hard. We live in very close proximity but I know is going to come to a head at some point!

Sparklypants · 05/09/2014 21:36

Name change fail! oh well...

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