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Next door neighbour's kid - WWYD?

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Beavie · 05/09/2014 19:52

Aaaargh! I'm in a tricky situation here. I moved into a HA house a few months ago, and I've never lived on an estate before so I'm really not sure how to deal with this.

I have 2 dds age 4 and 10. NDN's daughter is 8, we'll call her H. A while after we moved in, in late spring, H started coming around to play with dd2. Dd1 finds H extremely annoying and if H is here then dd1 just shuts herself in her room (to be fair, she does this quite a lot even if H isn't here...she loves reading and is happiest holed up with a book).

Our back gardens are tiny and for some reason both of my neighbours have gates going into my garden from theirs. So H has direct access into my garden, and my back door is usually open so she just turns up in our house.

For the first month or two, it wasn't an issue that H was here as she did a good job of entertaining dd2, who is really full on, and she very polite and well behaved. H's parents very rarely take her anywhere or do anything with her, and she tells me that before we lived here she would just always be in her room by herself. By contrast, I get out and about with the kids as much as possible, we do stuff like geocaching, swimming, lots of walks and dd2 is lucky enough to have a pony at my DM's place not far away so we spend a fair bit of time there. So I do feel sorry for H, and have taken her out with us quite a lot since we've known her.

The amount of time H spends here soon got out of hand though. Literally as soon as we got home, she would be here, or as soon as we woke up in the morning and I opened the back door for the dog, she'd appear. As she got to know us better, I began to see the more annoying parts of her personality. E.g. she lies, a LOT, stupid little things but it happens all the time. And instead of hanging out with dd2, she started trailing around after me all the time. Literally everywhere. I can't get a moment's peace from her. And she talks, and talks and talks, inane stuff, so a 5 minute sit down where I would plan to sit and check my emails etc, i now have H sitting right next to me wittering on. Even while I eat my dinner, she's there chattering away.

I am a LP, and my youngest dd doesn't see her dad so I have her all the time. I find it hard to get the emotional energy for my own dc, and now it really does feel like I have 3, not 2. I think H has also started to consider herself as part of the furniture here too, and gets jealous if I go somewhere without her, e.g. if we go to see the pony. I do sometimes put my foot down and just firmly tell her we are not taking her, but I find it difficult as she looks so disappointed, and then dd2 kicks off because she wants H to come too. And I can't really give her a good reason as to why She can't come, apart from the fact that she does my nut in and I just don't want her to!

I feel really sorry for H that her own parents do fuck all with her, and it's sad that a lot of her lies seem to be about stuff that she is going to do, e.g. She'll turn up in the morning and say that she is going swimming or bowling later, when I know that it's not true. It's like she has a fantasy existence. But at the same time, it drives me mad that I've become responsible for entertaining her. How do I handle this?

OP posts:
pictish · 06/09/2014 10:47

Good post stew.
I really like the idea of using university as a natural stopping point.
"I'll miss having the time to do this when I start university." This makes clear things will soon change, owing to time constraints.

Then "Not today darling, I've got work to do...come round on (insert convenient day) for an hour (give it a time limit) and I'll have time for a visitor then."

Repeat repeat repeat.

Stewedcoot · 06/09/2014 10:47

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Could you invent some errand that you have to do on the way there that's less attractive ie school shoe buying etc; or just be honest and say you're sorry but she can't come this time. V. difficult situation though.

Beavie · 06/09/2014 10:48

Update - she just got dd2 to directly ask me if she could come. I said "no, sorry H, I just want to take dd1 and dd2 there today but I will take you there one day when dd1 is with her dad". She responded "OK" in a really pissed off voice.

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pictish · 06/09/2014 10:52

She got in your bed?
Ok - this has gone quite far enough. Usher her out pleasantly now. "Ok H - I'll have to chase you home now. I need to get on."
Smile smile, breezy breezy, usher usher. Close door.

I know...you will picture her dejected on the other side, but you can't change how she reacts, only how you do.
Cringe with guilt, then find your resolve and get on with your day.

pictish · 06/09/2014 10:56

OP please don't promise her a future outing. You are making a promise you don't want to keep, and sending her mixed messages telling her you feel obliged to her and want her company.
You're negotiating. Tell!

KirstyJC · 06/09/2014 10:58

Wow - she got in your bed with you?!? That is WAY too close. You need to stop feeling guilty that she isn't being parented in the way you think she should be and concentrate on parenting your own kids. You already allow DD1 to feel 2nd best in her own home, out of guilt to H. Time to stop and put both your girls first.

Take her to one side, and tell her that although you like her, you are finding it difficult to have her over so much. Tell her that you will call for her when you want her to come over, but that she can't just keep coming in because it's not her house - it is YOURS and YOU decide when she comes over.

And when she sticks her bottom lip out and gets cross, say that's just how things need to be and maybe it's time she made some other friends that she can visit. And then walk her to the door.

You can't keep showing DD1 that H is more important to you than she is. You just can't.Sad

Beavie · 06/09/2014 11:01

Pictish - I really don't mind taking her there one day, it's somewhere I discovered last week and I can see us going there quite a lot, and it's free, so one day she can tag along.

She gets in my bed a fair bit :(

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Oblomov · 06/09/2014 11:04

Please just be firm and tell her straight that she can't come over so much because .... You are studying etc.

gertiegusset · 06/09/2014 11:05

Well surely if your DD1 is only 10 then she can hardly be left at home while you take DD2 and H so you'll need to make an excuse and tell H she can't go.

KirstyJC · 06/09/2014 11:06

Er - you are putting yourself on dodgy ground here. What do you think would happen if she mentions at school that she often gets into bed with her adult neighbour?

FFS sort it out. She is NOT your responsibilty - tell her, and tell her mum.

Beavie · 06/09/2014 11:07

Another issue to sending her home today is that her brother is there for the day. He has gone to live with his DF as SS said they would remove H if he stayed. He has ADHD and is horrible to H, the final straw was when he lobbed a heavy object at her head and split it open. So she can stay until we go out.

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ladygracie · 06/09/2014 11:20

You are a very lovely person but the issue with her brother is one for her parents to sort out. You are not responsible for that.
Hopefully your university start will provide a natural end to it all.

KirstyJC · 06/09/2014 11:24

So what do her parents intend to do about it? Both their DS and H are their responsibility so what are they planning to do?

Oh yeah..hang on, there's that mug next door who always take her so they don't have to worry.........

Seriously OP, she IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. She is theirs. Only, why would they bother when you are doing it all?

Go round and speak to her parents and ask them what they are planning to do today as their DS and H can't be in the same room, and you are not happy for her to be with you. When they say 'Why can't you have her' - just tell them she is NOT your daughter and it's about time they started looking after their own kids. And then follow through on it.

Can't you see that your poor DD1 is playing 2nd best in her own home? Have you any idea how horrible that must make her feel? Make your OWN daughter your priority FFS!

TempName777 · 06/09/2014 11:29

I'm with KirstyJC. How often is DD1 being made to feel pushed out?

That is awful.

I definitely agree with saying no when you don't want her round and all the other great suggetsions. And for god's sake don't put her needs or desires before your oldest daughter - that's brewing up for a whole lot more problems.

Beavie · 06/09/2014 11:33

She went home! Without even being asked. Think she has a bit of a cob on that I won't take her out today.

I do feel bad about dd1. Like I said, she would happily spend her whole life in her bedroom but It's not good for her, and if H is here then she won't come out. Which is why I have said no to H about coming with us today. I think dd1 is like the holy grail for H, she REALLY wants to be friends with her, and she would drop dd2 in an instant if dd1 showed the slightest bit of interest in her.

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wanttosinglikemarycoughlan · 06/09/2014 11:40

I think you need to sort out your responsibilities here
Your priority should be your own children
H seems to be calling the shots. You seem pleased she decided to go but it should be you deciding what happens in your own house and bed
It is highly inappropriate for her to be in your bed
You could get into real trouble here and they already have SS involvement

clam · 06/09/2014 11:49

For goodness' sake, who is the adult here? Just tell her NO. You can do this nicely but firmly. "I'm sorry, lovie, but we're not available today. One of the girls will call for you when we are."

If she turns up in your garden, tell her that she is not to climb over the fence and if the gate is closed, you're not free.

And above ALL ELSE, stop her getting in your bed. That is seriously overstepping the mark and you are making yourself very vulnerable there.

You also need to get dd2 on board with it all and tell her (in age-appropriate language) that she is not to undermine you in front of this other child by asking you for things. Even at 4, she is not too young for that.

pictish · 06/09/2014 11:54

clam I agree about explaining to dd2 is an age appropriate way, that you don't want her to insist or undermine you regarding H's involvement in your day.
She's only four bless her...but I'm sure you'll find the words to facilitate her understanding over this.

BigbyWolf · 06/09/2014 12:04

I've read the whole thread and to be honest I feel sorry for your dd1. Why should she have to go into her room all the time (even if she enjoys her own company reading) just because this girl has latched on to your family and doesn't ever want to go home?

Your dd1 might dislike her so much because you appear to put 'H's' needs and wants before hers.

Maybe you're a saint and I'm a big meanie, but I would be putting my own children first and telling that child that she can't come in. She's her parent's responsibility, not yours.

Dubjackeen · 06/09/2014 12:08

Without even being asked.

Don't ask, tell.
Can you ensure that the door is locked so that your four year old cannot allow people in? Please don't put the child ahead of your own, regardless of what her home setup is.
I'm going to drop out of the thread now, just repeating once more, she is not your responsibility.

dustarr73 · 06/09/2014 12:20

I have read this thread and the hopping in to your bed is asking for trouble.Grow a backbone and tell her no.Your poor kids being made to feel second best.Im not having a go at you op but if she says anything about being in your bed you are in big trouble.
When are you gonna tell this child no,no point waiting until you are in the shits.

VeganCow · 06/09/2014 12:22

Another one here telling you are putting this girls feelings before dd1. Even if you say you arent, dd1 will think you are.
Be firm.

Fletchermoss · 06/09/2014 12:40

Today dd2 let her in, and she came and got in my bed with me. OMG. How did you let that happen? My DS and his friend came into my room when I was in bed once and I told them to both go out immediately. It was the morning after a sleep over. Frankly, I wanted my privacy.

Stealthpolarbear · 06/09/2014 12:43

Getting into bed with you isn't on
Too intimate for a child you're not related to or aren't close to the parents

sunbathe · 06/09/2014 12:47

WWYD? I'd lock the guests and get the HA to replace the gates with fencing.

If the HA won't replace the fencing, I'd plant something big in front of both gates, after locking them.